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It's advertised as being stress tested with 30,000 folds. That should last quite a bit longer than 6 years for most people.

by Tepix 4y ago

iasay 4y ago
That figure doesn't make sense other than from a marketing perspective. It is missing all the important engineering questions... How many did they test? What's the standard deviation? What does the bell curve look like? What are the test conditions? What happens when you put this in the hands of an average user who does not conform to the test conditions?
- ddalex 4y ago
  Please show me this data from any other manufacturer... take Apple, do they put out how many drops they test their latest iPhone, the one that they advertise doesn't need a cover? The standard deviation, Bell curve? Nobody cares about this - what people care about is: What happens when this breaks ? If Asus offers good warranty on it, why does it matter when it breaks??
  - iasay 4y ago
    If it breaks every month and takes them two months to repair it each time then it's a problem.
    - ddalex 4y ago
      But there is no indication that it breaks every month, and there is a strong indication that it breaks less ten once every 6 years. Also there is literally no indication that it takes 2 months to repair. What I am seeing from you is just negative comments about this technology, literally based on assumption and made-up standards that are not common in the industry.
      - iasay 4y ago
        Have you dealt with an Asus RMA before? I have. I was being kind with the 2 months...
        ddalex 4y ago
        Ah, just say that you have a personal issue with Asus, not that a product idea is shit and should not be done.
        iasay 4y ago
        The product would be shit if apple did it too. I have a professional issue with Asus support having dealt with them from a large corp. I can isolate the two factors but understand the risks are combined. That’s just logic.
        ddalex 4y ago
        LOL "the product would be shit" It didn't even hit the shelves.... your bitterness reminds me of the original iPod quip "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame" You're pulling "facts" and "standards" out of thin air to justify your dislike of Asus.
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    > the one that they advertise doesn't need a cover Uhh, they don't do that. They sell cases - their own and 3rd party - right in the store next to the iPhones.
- sz4kerto 4y ago
  Samsung's recent foldable phones (e.g. Galaxy Z Fold 3) are proving to be quite reliable, the crease is still visible to some extent but they don't tend to break.
  - iasay 4y ago
    Call me when they’re as durable as a decent modern iPhone…
bizzleDawg 4y ago
When I read about the 30,000 cycles, I can't help but picture a mechanism which performs a "perfect" opening/closing cycle with equal force distribution. How many cycles would that translate to when being opened/closed on the go by pulling on a corner? Or being used by a toddler?
adrianN 4y ago
I've had a couple of laptops where the mechanical hinges became wonky after a couple of years. Intuitively they should be a lot sturdier than a folding screen, but perhaps intuition is misleading.
chrismorgan 4y ago
Micro-USB plugs are supposed to be designed for a minimum rated lifetime of 10,000 cycles of insertion and removal. My experience has not had one last even 2,000 cycles before becoming unreliable, even for cables that have always been used in ideal circumstances (gently plugged in, resting on a table). As for ones where the device gets used while plugged in, moved around, occasional lateral forces on the plug, well, they’re generally just about completely useless before 2,000 cycles. USB-C plugs are supposed to be 10,000 cycles too. The A–to–C cable that came with my PinePhone was dead at the C plug end within four months of daily usage with occasional somewhat-stronger-than-ideal-but-not-all-that-excessive forces being applied. A couple of other cables haven’t had issues so far. When they say 30,000 here, I’d be surprised to get 3,000 before significant problems are apparent, and wouldn’t be surprised if I failed to get 300. I like the idea and want it to work, but don’t expect it to just yet. I wish they’d focus their effort on having two separate screens with a small gap between them rather than trying to straddle the hinge, because that would be somewhere between almost as good and slightly better, and much more likely to be reliable. This is still early tech. Early generations of mechanically-difficult things are generally terrible. I can speak to the unreliability of the Surface Book hinge: I had four units (19 months with moderate issues by the end (mild battery pillowage, screen yellowing, several split keycaps) that led to warranty replacement; 8 months then battery 2 spontaneously died; roughly DOA; two years before battery 1 died and it was out of warranty and after only a little more use it’s now pretty much a brick, can’t even stay powered on and significant pillowage on both batteries), and their base/clipboard, base/power and clipboard/power connections (which were basically the same interface) always became not completely reliable well within a year, though they weren’t particularly troublesome until maybe fifteen or eighteen months. I do acknowledge that I used this hardware fairly hard, but it was consistently well under a thousand cycles before at least minor issues in the connection were apparent, and these OLED hinges are probably even more demanding.

It's advertised as being stress tested with 30,000 folds. That should last quite a bit longer than 6 years for most people.

by Tepix 4y ago

It's advertised as being stress tested with 30,000 folds. That should last quite a bit longer than 6 years for most people.

iasay 4y ago

That figure doesn't make sense other than from a marketing perspective. It is missing all the important engineering questions... How many did they test? What's the standard deviation? What does the bell curve look like? What are the test conditions? What happens when you put this in the hands of an average user who does not conform to the test conditions?

ddalex 4y ago
Please show me this data from any other manufacturer... take Apple, do they put out how many drops they test their latest iPhone, the one that they advertise doesn't need a cover? The standard deviation, Bell curve? Nobody cares about this - what people care about is: What happens when this breaks ? If Asus offers good warranty on it, why does it matter when it breaks??
- iasay 4y ago
  If it breaks every month and takes them two months to repair it each time then it's a problem.
  - ddalex 4y ago
    But there is no indication that it breaks every month, and there is a strong indication that it breaks less ten once every 6 years. Also there is literally no indication that it takes 2 months to repair. What I am seeing from you is just negative comments about this technology, literally based on assumption and made-up standards that are not common in the industry.
    - iasay 4y ago
      Have you dealt with an Asus RMA before? I have. I was being kind with the 2 months...
      - ddalex 4y ago
        Ah, just say that you have a personal issue with Asus, not that a product idea is shit and should not be done.
        iasay 4y ago
        The product would be shit if apple did it too. I have a professional issue with Asus support having dealt with them from a large corp. I can isolate the two factors but understand the risks are combined. That’s just logic.
        ddalex 4y ago
        LOL "the product would be shit" It didn't even hit the shelves.... your bitterness reminds me of the original iPod quip "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame" You're pulling "facts" and "standards" out of thin air to justify your dislike of Asus.
- happyopossum 4y ago
  > the one that they advertise doesn't need a cover Uhh, they don't do that. They sell cases - their own and 3rd party - right in the store next to the iPhones.
sz4kerto 4y ago
Samsung's recent foldable phones (e.g. Galaxy Z Fold 3) are proving to be quite reliable, the crease is still visible to some extent but they don't tend to break.
- iasay 4y ago
  Call me when they’re as durable as a decent modern iPhone…

bizzleDawg 4y ago

When I read about the 30,000 cycles, I can't help but picture a mechanism which performs a "perfect" opening/closing cycle with equal force distribution. How many cycles would that translate to when being opened/closed on the go by pulling on a corner? Or being used by a toddler?

adrianN 4y ago

I've had a couple of laptops where the mechanical hinges became wonky after a couple of years. Intuitively they should be a lot sturdier than a folding screen, but perhaps intuition is misleading.

chrismorgan 4y ago

Micro-USB plugs are supposed to be designed for a minimum rated lifetime of 10,000 cycles of insertion and removal. My experience has not had one last even 2,000 cycles before becoming unreliable, even for cables that have always been used in ideal circumstances (gently plugged in, resting on a table). As for ones where the device gets used while plugged in, moved around, occasional lateral forces on the plug, well, they’re generally just about completely useless before 2,000 cycles. USB-C plugs are supposed to be 10,000 cycles too. The A–to–C cable that came with my PinePhone was dead at the C plug end within four months of daily usage with occasional somewhat-stronger-than-ideal-but-not-all-that-excessive forces being applied. A couple of other cables haven’t had issues so far. When they say 30,000 here, I’d be surprised to get 3,000 before significant problems are apparent, and wouldn’t be surprised if I failed to get 300. I like the idea and want it to work, but don’t expect it to just yet. I wish they’d focus their effort on having two separate screens with a small gap between them rather than trying to straddle the hinge, because that would be somewhere between almost as good and slightly better, and much more likely to be reliable. This is still early tech. Early generations of mechanically-difficult things are generally terrible. I can speak to the unreliability of the Surface Book hinge: I had four units (19 months with moderate issues by the end (mild battery pillowage, screen yellowing, several split keycaps) that led to warranty replacement; 8 months then battery 2 spontaneously died; roughly DOA; two years before battery 1 died and it was out of warranty and after only a little more use it’s now pretty much a brick, can’t even stay powered on and significant pillowage on both batteries), and their base/clipboard, base/power and clipboard/power connections (which were basically the same interface) always became not completely reliable well within a year, though they weren’t particularly troublesome until maybe fifteen or eighteen months. I do acknowledge that I used this hardware fairly hard, but it was consistently well under a thousand cycles before at least minor issues in the connection were apparent, and these OLED hinges are probably even more demanding.