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And for all of the cleanliness and convenience you also have to put up with 3/4 of the population blowing their cigarette smoke in your face. Especially indoor

And for all of the cleanliness and convenience you also have to put up with 3/4 of the population blowing their cigarette smoke in your face. Especially indoors in bars, despite it being illegal.

EL_Loco 4y ago
What? Smoking indoors is illegal in Germany, yet germans do it outright? This is a blow to the stereotype of the 100%-law-abiding-germans that I grew up with here in only-12%-law-abiding-south-america. I'm actually being serious. I never thought that germans would smoke indoors if it became illegal. I mean, here in Brazil it's illegal (I think it became illegal in the early 2000's) and nobody does it.
- Sebb767 4y ago
  I'm from Germany and this is pretty unusual. There are very few pubs where smoking is kind-of tolerated and sometimes a drunk person will light a cigarette in a club, but it's really rare and absolutely a non-issue in my experience.
  - tlarkworthy 4y ago
    I live in Berlin and u must have not been out here coz many places, especially clubs, allow smoking indoors.
    - Sebb767 4y ago
      I didn't experience this in Berlin; to be fair, however, I didn't spend much time in Bars there.
  - itsthejb 4y ago
    In Berlin, the inside smoking laws are pretty much never enforced. Some bars have dedicated smoking rooms, but many don’t. As for clubs, you can mostly expect smoking indoors. A lot of people smoke, so you _will_ encounter smokey environments when out and about, especially during the winter
- neolithicum 4y ago
  Hm, I'm suprised too, where I live it doesn't happen. Perhaps Berlin is different.
- sneak 4y ago
  Berlin is a special, lawless place. It’s the capital of German halfassery. 50% of the packages I order from Amazon never arrive. I’ve lived here since 2008 and it is unlike any other major world capital.
- InitialLastName 4y ago
  Note that if you're the sort of person to be bothered by smoke, one person lighting up in a room with 100 people will be noticed by the other 99 people. It only takes 1% non-law-abiders to make everyone think that Germans smoke in bars.
DemocracyFTW2 4y ago
This can't be quite true. In Berlin smoking is prohibited in public buildings, public transportation including nearly 100% of all train stations (the exception being designated smoker areas of ~20m² on open-air platforms), shops, bars and inside restaurants. Many places offer open-air seating (they call it Terrasse but it's the sidewalk); there, being outside smoking is not prohibited. There's an exception for small-ish bars which are clearly marked as being smokers' places and for adults only (>18yrs). So I'd say you've got a good chance of not getting smoke blown into your face. Also, while you're right in that comparatively many people in Berlin are smokers (although that might be a commonality of cities as opposed to the countryside), they're still a minority of <30% [1], so more like 1/3 than 3/4 (it can feel like every second guy in the street though). [1] https://www.abnr.de/tabakpraevention/daten-fuer-deutschland/rauchen-bei-erwachsenen/ https://www.abnr.de/tabakpraevention/daten-fuer-deutschland/...
- sneak 4y ago
  Every large club in Berlin is full of people, staff included, smoking in violation of the law. The rules are not enforced.
shafyy 4y ago
There are a lot of bars that don't allow smoking, but unfortunately almost all "good" (in my opinion) do.
- vintermann 4y ago
  There's some odd dynamic going on then. What happened here in Norway was that the indoors smoking ban was at first immensely unpopular (it didn't help that the health minister at the time, who pushed it, was a Christian Democrat who fit nicely into moral busybody stereotypes). But as soon as the ban was implemented, attitudes changed overnight. Even the smokers agreed that things were a lot more comfortable. And I've heard similar stories from other places with public smoking bans. I bet that even if a place managed to hide it from the public health authorities (they DO regularly do unannounced inspections anywhere food is served or made, after all), it would just be a colossal competitive disadvantage in most places. How strange that Berlin is different!

And for all of the cleanliness and convenience you also have to put up with 3/4 of the population blowing their cigarette smoke in your face. Especially indoors in bars, despite it being illegal.

EL_Loco 4y ago

What? Smoking indoors is illegal in Germany, yet germans do it outright? This is a blow to the stereotype of the 100%-law-abiding-germans that I grew up with here in only-12%-law-abiding-south-america. I'm actually being serious. I never thought that germans would smoke indoors if it became illegal. I mean, here in Brazil it's illegal (I think it became illegal in the early 2000's) and nobody does it.

Sebb767 4y ago
I'm from Germany and this is pretty unusual. There are very few pubs where smoking is kind-of tolerated and sometimes a drunk person will light a cigarette in a club, but it's really rare and absolutely a non-issue in my experience.
- tlarkworthy 4y ago
  I live in Berlin and u must have not been out here coz many places, especially clubs, allow smoking indoors.
  - Sebb767 4y ago
    I didn't experience this in Berlin; to be fair, however, I didn't spend much time in Bars there.
- itsthejb 4y ago
  In Berlin, the inside smoking laws are pretty much never enforced. Some bars have dedicated smoking rooms, but many don’t. As for clubs, you can mostly expect smoking indoors. A lot of people smoke, so you _will_ encounter smokey environments when out and about, especially during the winter
neolithicum 4y ago
Hm, I'm suprised too, where I live it doesn't happen. Perhaps Berlin is different.
sneak 4y ago
Berlin is a special, lawless place. It’s the capital of German halfassery. 50% of the packages I order from Amazon never arrive. I’ve lived here since 2008 and it is unlike any other major world capital.
InitialLastName 4y ago
Note that if you're the sort of person to be bothered by smoke, one person lighting up in a room with 100 people will be noticed by the other 99 people. It only takes 1% non-law-abiders to make everyone think that Germans smoke in bars.

DemocracyFTW2 4y ago

This can't be quite true. In Berlin smoking is prohibited in public buildings, public transportation including nearly 100% of all train stations (the exception being designated smoker areas of ~20m² on open-air platforms), shops, bars and inside restaurants. Many places offer open-air seating (they call it Terrasse but it's the sidewalk); there, being outside smoking is not prohibited. There's an exception for small-ish bars which are clearly marked as being smokers' places and for adults only (>18yrs). So I'd say you've got a good chance of not getting smoke blown into your face. Also, while you're right in that comparatively many people in Berlin are smokers (although that might be a commonality of cities as opposed to the countryside), they're still a minority of <30% [1], so more like 1/3 than 3/4 (it can feel like every second guy in the street though). [1] https://www.abnr.de/tabakpraevention/daten-fuer-deutschland/rauchen-bei-erwachsenen/ https://www.abnr.de/tabakpraevention/daten-fuer-deutschland/...

sneak 4y ago
Every large club in Berlin is full of people, staff included, smoking in violation of the law. The rules are not enforced.

shafyy 4y ago

There are a lot of bars that don't allow smoking, but unfortunately almost all "good" (in my opinion) do.

vintermann 4y ago
There's some odd dynamic going on then. What happened here in Norway was that the indoors smoking ban was at first immensely unpopular (it didn't help that the health minister at the time, who pushed it, was a Christian Democrat who fit nicely into moral busybody stereotypes). But as soon as the ban was implemented, attitudes changed overnight. Even the smokers agreed that things were a lot more comfortable. And I've heard similar stories from other places with public smoking bans. I bet that even if a place managed to hide it from the public health authorities (they DO regularly do unannounced inspections anywhere food is served or made, after all), it would just be a colossal competitive disadvantage in most places. How strange that Berlin is different!