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I work for Google Search. It works exactly the same as + did. We don't ignore the terms that are quoted. That was the point ofvthe change we made, that because
by dannysullivan 4y ago
I work for Google Search. It works exactly the same as + did. We don't ignore the terms that are quoted. That was the point ofvthe change we made, that because the quoted terms weren't sometimes in snippets, it might seem like we were ignoring when we weren't. Hopefully this change will help.
- mongol 4y agoI hope Google can bring back the plus operator, as Google+ is now buried.
- yreg 4y agoQuotes do the exact same thing that + did back then.
- wildmanx 4y agoI've used quoted searches now and then in the past, as recently as last week or so, and it definitely did not work. There were no usable results, none of the results shown did contain the exact words. Is there a bug somewhere?
- dannysullivan 4y agoIf you have an example you're comfortable sharing, I'm happy to take a look with the team (I work for Google Search). It's designed to match content as described in the post.
- cobbaut 4y agoSearch "xaverius franciscus" Only one of the first six results contains the exact phrase, the others all have other characters between these two words. Search +"napoloen" And it insists on including napoleon. Please include an 'expert' mode or something for people who know what they are looking for.
- towolf 4y agoAre you aware of the "Tools -> Verbatim" mode?
- cobbaut 4y agoYes I am very aware of this. Can it be set as default? Verbatim will still include results with other characters between "franciscus xaverius"than a space. Like a ( or a dot. It includes results containing a phrase that ends with Fransciscus. And the next phrase beginning with Xaverius. This is useless when searching ancestors. I know the service is free, but it would be really cool to be able to search for any (ASCII) string verbatim.
- ChoGGi 4y agoIf can be if you add a custom search engine https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32351006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32351006
- dannysullivan 4y agoEvery result I looked at on the first three pages have those words, and those words being clearly indicated in the snippets. Some of them have punctuation between the words. As the post explains, we see punctuation as spaces -- please do look at the post about this, if you haven't. As for the + operator, that hasn't been supported for ages. Putting the + symbol means nothing. You just need to do "napoloen" for an exact match on that. Which, if you do, causes us to say: Showing results for "napoleon" Search instead for "napoloen" So while you said you wanted a quote search, our systems are really really concerned that for this spelling, you're making a terrible mistake. Which, I get as a power user, is annoying. And which, we probably should review and perhaps never substitute a different search. But ... we are telling you that happened. And providing a link to override what we did and say yes, I really know what I'm looking for, do it. Which -- if you click on, we'll do.
- cobbaut 4y agoThanks. Yes, I understand about the punctuation now. About 'napoloen', I often search for non-english words that differ only one letter from an English word (English is my fourth language). I wish there was a way to permanently disable "Did you mean?"-results. A new one... I just got this, searching for: libmad +tutorial Several results with "Missing: +tutorial"... Why are results included that do not contain the word 'tutorial'?
- dangerface 4y agoGoogle often returns results that just don't contain keywords, not talking about snippets or stop words im talking about the first keyword not appearing in any of the results on the first page but it shows up on page 2.
- mianos 4y agoThey seem to be denying this left right and centre on this item. In another thread they said it is due to bugs.
- chicob 4y agoWhat about the "-"?
- dannysullivan 4y agoIt still works, if you mean the - symbol.
- chicob 4y agoNo it doesn't. https://i.ibb.co/k18PXhW/google-search-2022-08-05.jpg https://i.ibb.co/k18PXhW/google-search-2022-08-05.jpg
- TristanDaCunha 4y agoWell this is a more complex case which includes combining negation with quotation and punctuation marks. I'll bet those factors explain why it didn't work.
- chicob 4y agoI'm not an expert, but isn't this as simple as "omitting results that have whatever is found inside the quotes"?
- chicob 4y agoSearching for 'Edgar Allen Poe -"The Raven"' does work as intended. The search I printed was trying to omit some addresses (and I now realize quotes are not necessary and do not help for this specific case), but it did find a result with the term I was trying to avoid as a string.
- JoshuaEddy 4y agoI think what trying to exclude the .br TLD. Have you tried the "site:" syntax which can include or exclude domains. Loke this: teste de lingua portuguesa -site:.br
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- chimprich 4y ago> We don't ignore the terms that are quoted. This has not been my experience. I regularly use quotes and get back pages that don't contain the phrase. The article suggests that content might not appear because it is in the source of the page, or the page has changed since it was crawled. However, I've grepped the source of the page, and checked Google's cache of the page, and not found the quoted phrase. I used to report bad results to Google, but it's a complete black box and I have no idea if anyone pays attention to them, so I don't anymore.
- dannysullivan 4y agoIf you ever find an example where you think they don't work, please ping me. I've looked into many of these cases, and the material does appear on the page as we've seen it.
- Kuinox 4y agoOn the page: "https://book.simply-logical.space/src/text/1_part_i/1.1.html https://book.simply-logical.space/src/text/1_part_i/1.1.html" If I take the quote: "At the beginning of this section, we posed the question: can we show that our two definitions of the nearby-relation are equivalent?" Searching on google lead to 2 dead link, and another website republishing the book as pdf. Others search engines give me the link of the page I got the quote from, as the first result.
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- chrisan 4y agoI also get the dead link, and the 2nd link is now this comment :)
- dannysullivan 4y agoThat's not a sign that quote search doesn't work. In fact, the opposite. The pages you get all appear to have that really long quoted phrase. Instead, it's a sign we don't have one particular page with that quote indexed. Certainly better if we did have that page included in our index, of course. I'll pass it on.
- jacquesm 4y agoWhy not simply revert to the old, sane option?
- codeduck 4y agomoney.
- nikanj 4y agoThis implies "we do ignore the terms that are not quoted", which has been a common source of grievance with Google. Planning your trip ahead, you search for pizza restaurant Chicago. Google ignores 2/3 of your terms and returns local restaurants that serve Vietnamese.
- dannysullivan 4y agoWe don't support quoted restriction for local results -- results in a local box -- as the post explains. It also says that's something we're looking at for a further improvement.
- nulbyte 4y agoWhat is "a local box"? It sounds like GP was performing a regular web search. Surely you don't mean you ignore quotes just because I put the name of a city as a search term.
- dannysullivan 4y agoNo, we don't. Which is why I specifically said local box (it's when we show local results almost always with a map -- the post explains this more). If it's a regular web search, and these are web pages about a local place, quotes work the same as with any web page.
- martin_a 4y agoSounds like you use Google Fit, they will probably optimize your food recommendations based on your health information. ;-)
- O__________O 4y agoNo, there are bugs, documented them; moved my reply to a top level comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32354078 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32354078 Core issue being it feels unnecessarily hard to replicate search results; as documented in comment linked to above.
- lupire 4y agoThat's unfortunate, but was never an intended feature and at odds with the whole design of Google search and the reality of web scale data processing and personalization , so can't call it a bug. You want a feature that Google doesn't offer.
- wakeupcall 4y agoI don't have relevant queries at hand as you only notice when searching for specific documentation, however terms often weren't in the quoted snippets, but most critically not in the page and nowhere in the cached content as well (assuming the cache reflects what has been indexed). I could simply search for any of the term and not find it at all. Similar case for Bing BTW. Assuming this is going to improve, were I would submit an example of this not working in the future?
- dannysullivan 4y agoYes, I'd be happy to review an example if you have it come up in the future.
- mannykannot 4y agoWhen Google dropped the special meaning of a ‘+’ prefix, the change was not obvious to me (and, I imagine, many other people) because some responses would nevertheless contain the specified term. Consequently, the experience came across as just another degradation of quality.
- freshbright 4y agoI use to be able to filter out websites like amazon from shopping search results with -, no longer works and I hate amazon.
- leephillips 4y ago-site:amazon.com works for me.