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And in Berlin you can cycle! I'm not a regular cyclist, but on holiday I felt totally comfortable renting a bike and using the bike lanes to get around.

by cjrp 4y ago

ido 4y ago
As a resident of Berlin (that likes living there) I feel it's important to also mention NYC has almost 2.5 times as many people and unlike Berlin is part of a large urban agglomeration (the northeast megalopolis - total population ~50m). It's not quite a fair comparison.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  Right, but the original comment was (condescendingly) comparing NYC to middle America, so differing densities and other demographics are precisely the point.
  - m_ke 4y ago
    No, my point was about the car centric bend of a large portion of suburban / rural America. I wrote that message at like 1am, see my comment here for what I meant https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32355777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32355777 Compare Pittsburgh suburb (https://goo.gl/maps/bFBWcsJ6EeL1kgVe7 https://goo.gl/maps/bFBWcsJ6EeL1kgVe7) to the suburbs of the town that I was born in (https://goo.gl/maps/ktkWzAUa3tyz37hQ7 https://goo.gl/maps/ktkWzAUa3tyz37hQ7). This is an even better example: https://goo.gl/maps/cAECdLXaBVoErtsFA https://goo.gl/maps/cAECdLXaBVoErtsFA vs https://goo.gl/maps/oBmruFK2Sqaxg6TW7 https://goo.gl/maps/oBmruFK2Sqaxg6TW7 EDIT: Same goes for the Bay Area, staying by YC offices for the interviews was depressing too. Look at this: https://goo.gl/maps/ERCkS7zrHw8tM2or9 https://goo.gl/maps/ERCkS7zrHw8tM2or9
  - evolve2k 4y ago
    NotJustBikes has some excellent videos on the differences between US and European cities, this one captures many of the issues - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw
Reason077 4y ago
> "And in Berlin you can cycle!" You can certainly cycle in New York. Cycling has increased dramatically in New York City over the past decade or so with the installation of more cycle-friendly infrastructure, including over 100 miles of protected bike lanes, city bike sharing, e-bike rental apps, etc.
ahoy 4y ago
Cycling in nyc has changed drastically in the last decade. It's almost good now!

And in Berlin you can cycle! I'm not a regular cyclist, but on holiday I felt totally comfortable renting a bike and using the bike lanes to get around.

by cjrp 4y ago

And in Berlin you can cycle! I'm not a regular cyclist, but on holiday I felt totally comfortable renting a bike and using the bike lanes to get around.

ido 4y ago

As a resident of Berlin (that likes living there) I feel it's important to also mention NYC has almost 2.5 times as many people and unlike Berlin is part of a large urban agglomeration (the northeast megalopolis - total population ~50m). It's not quite a fair comparison.

throwaway894345 4y ago
Right, but the original comment was (condescendingly) comparing NYC to middle America, so differing densities and other demographics are precisely the point.
- m_ke 4y ago
  No, my point was about the car centric bend of a large portion of suburban / rural America. I wrote that message at like 1am, see my comment here for what I meant https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32355777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32355777 Compare Pittsburgh suburb (https://goo.gl/maps/bFBWcsJ6EeL1kgVe7 https://goo.gl/maps/bFBWcsJ6EeL1kgVe7) to the suburbs of the town that I was born in (https://goo.gl/maps/ktkWzAUa3tyz37hQ7 https://goo.gl/maps/ktkWzAUa3tyz37hQ7). This is an even better example: https://goo.gl/maps/cAECdLXaBVoErtsFA https://goo.gl/maps/cAECdLXaBVoErtsFA vs https://goo.gl/maps/oBmruFK2Sqaxg6TW7 https://goo.gl/maps/oBmruFK2Sqaxg6TW7 EDIT: Same goes for the Bay Area, staying by YC offices for the interviews was depressing too. Look at this: https://goo.gl/maps/ERCkS7zrHw8tM2or9 https://goo.gl/maps/ERCkS7zrHw8tM2or9
- evolve2k 4y ago
  NotJustBikes has some excellent videos on the differences between US and European cities, this one captures many of the issues - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlpmxLTxpw

Reason077 4y ago

> "And in Berlin you can cycle!" You can certainly cycle in New York. Cycling has increased dramatically in New York City over the past decade or so with the installation of more cycle-friendly infrastructure, including over 100 miles of protected bike lanes, city bike sharing, e-bike rental apps, etc.

ahoy 4y ago

Cycling in nyc has changed drastically in the last decade. It's almost good now!