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Given Australia took the extraordinary step of violating UN Human Rights codes it agreed to when preventing citizens and in some cases foreign residents from le
by 0xy 4y ago
Given Australia took the extraordinary step of violating UN Human Rights codes it agreed to when preventing citizens and in some cases foreign residents from leaving the country during the pandemic I'd say they're already on the way.
After all, the action was unprecedented, contravened human rights and aligned their response with North Korea and China, the only other countries who have ever had such restrictions.
This action had the result of a number of despicable outcomes, such as denying people from visiting dying loved ones, separating families including parents from children and worse.
After massive sacrifice, the country is now topping the charts in COVID deaths -- despite >90% vaccination. Human rights trampled for nothing, apparently.
Australia is also at the forefront of invasive pernicious surveillance, with a previous PM claiming Australian law 'trumps math' (in trying to ban encryption) and huge amounts of spying. The current government's party vehemently voted in favor of mass surveillance on all ISP connections, as well as supported content filtering (censorship) -- including for political content.
- nmca 4y agoThe relevant metric here is cumulative excess mortality, not current infection rate.
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- EdwardDiego 4y agoI always love these strong opinions about Australasian responses to Covid, and how they tend to significantly differ from the opinions of the people who live in that country. Something about it really riled some segments overseas up, to the point they were frothing at the month claiming Australia had concentration camps, and NZ was a socialist hellhole. You're right about the Australian government's obsession with surveillance though. But then, as a Kiwi, I've always felt that started when John Howard wanted to be best buds with George W Bush, and Australia started mimicking the US.
- 0xy 4y agoSo your response is a strawman argument? Where did I mention concentration camps? I'm referring to UN Human Rights charters, of which Australia is a signatory.
- EdwardDiego 4y agoNo you didn't, that's my bad, as I intended, but forgot to, give you kudos for not doing so.
- zizee 4y ago> After massive sacrifice, the country is now topping the charts in COVID deaths You sound so out of touch with what the Australian experience has been. Australia has had 14k deaths from COVID, vs over 1 million for the US. Percapita that is about 1/5 the deaths of the US. We've also had about 1.5 times the reported cases per capita than the US. The strategy was to lock down until the population was vaccinated. Once that had happened, it was time to open back up again. Of course we were going to see more deaths. Yes, the lockdowns were frustrated, yes unfortunate situationsboccurred. But going by the US stats, the response of the Australian government probably saved about 180 thousand lives.
- 0xy 4y agoI explained how Australia trampled on UN Human Rights charters, including by essentially imprisoning foreign residents. What does that have to do with lockdown policies? There's a pretty big leap between mask mandates (a pretty common response) and preventing foreigners from leaving, a UN Human Rights violation that almost no other country engaged in other than dictatorships like North Korea and China.
- zizee 4y ago> essentially imprisoning foreign residents This sounds hyperbolic. Can you provide a link to a reputable source that shows foreign nationals being imprisoned?