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> I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections. As I'm sure you know, Android 13 does more here...

by binkHN 4y ago

wfme 4y ago
Not sure comparing a yet to be released OS is a solid selling point here.
- binkHN 4y ago
  It’s in beta, will be formally released very soon and there is more than enough detail out there that goes over the updated permissions and related.
  - bigiain 4y ago
    I'm looking forward to trying it out, but realistically it's gonna be running on low single digit percentage of all Android phones for at least 2 years. iOS 16 will be on 90+% of iOS devices by October... I'm probably going have to buy a newer Android phone to be able to install Android13, I doubt the Lineage crowd are going to bother building a version to run on even my newest Android phone - at least not anytime soon.
    - mfcl 4y ago
      I am not sure I understand who you are blaming for this. Google will update its Pixel devices just like Apple updates its iPhones. If Samsung and other phone makers don't push Android 13 on their current phones, then that's not Google's problem. > I'm looking forward to trying it out, but realistically it's gonna be running on low single digit percentage of all Android phones for at least 2 years. What difference does it make to you?
      - solardev 4y ago
        It was Google's choice to go with that model and allow Android to fragment like that.
        blfr 4y ago
        Good point about the platform but you have a personal choice to get the Pixel or other phone that runs the latest Android its benefits. No different than getting an iPhone.
        solardev 4y ago
        I don't think that's a fair comparison. It's more like Windows (a thousand vendors, each with their own config) vs Mac (one vendor, a small handful of configs). Except it's even worse than that in the Android world because different vendors produce not just their own drivers, but their own UIs and apps that override the defaults. There's not just one Android but one for every major vendor, and thing like calendars, photos, messages, voice assistants, files, accounts, etc. can't easily be shared between them. I have a Pixel and my partner a Samsung, and we can never figure out how to share things with each other because every vendor's Android is so different. That is a direct result of Google releasing Android under a certain model of openness, trying to catch up with iOS when it was first released and needing to give phone vendors a reason to adopt it. It got really bad for a while and they tried to rein it in with Play phones and the Google One phones and the Pixel line, but the market is still incredibly fragmented, especially between the Samsung, HTC, Google, and other major vendor variants. Meanwhile on my iPad and Mac, everything is just seamless. After a decade of Pixels, I'm gonna switch to an iPhone soon, just because iMessage is still so much better and the carriers don't really seem to care about RCS. Android has like two dozen chat and messaging programs, all of which suck in various ways, while iOS has had one superior one all these years. Centralized control can make your platform a lot cleaner.
        blfr 4y ago
        The fragmentation does nothing to impair your own ability to use app permissions in Android 13. You only need Android 13 on your phone. No network effect. As for communication apps, there is exactly one great app for both Android and iPhone. It's the same app: Signal.
      - danaris 4y ago
        Wasn't there a problem recently where Google decided to stop supporting a Pixel phone after just 2-3 years? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074185 (6 months ago, 683 comments)
notsapiensatall 4y ago
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how Google tends to follow Apple's better ideas, but Apple has usually been the leader in privacy innovations. It's frustrating. They make fantastic hardware, but their software leaves a lot to be desired, and they are extremely insistent on maintaining control over the devices that they sell. The M1s look like a small step in the right direction, but they have a lot of lost trust to rebuild.
- figmaheart255 4y ago
  > Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how Google tends to follow Apple's better ideas they just innovate in different areas. and they borrow from each other all the time. Android introduced multi-tasking, notifications, PiP, widgets, etc. iOS introduced the app screen, app store, gesture navigation, fingerprint unlock, etc. I think Android tends to cater towards power user features (like PiP and multi-tasking) whereas iOS tends to focus on UX (like gesture navigation).
  - copp 4y ago
    Finger printer reader was first introduced in Motorola Atrix (Android). Then apple bought the company that provided finger print scanner to Atrix.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  I'm reading this from ArchLinux on an M2 Macbook Air that i just bought. Works great, but i suspect some drivers aren't tuned yet.
jjtheblunt 4y ago
where can you get Android 13?
- binkHN 4y ago
  https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/devices https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/devices
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    Those are beta releases though

> I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections. As I'm sure you know, Android 13 does more here...

by binkHN 4y ago

> I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections. As I'm sure you know, Android 13 does more here...

wfme 4y ago

Not sure comparing a yet to be released OS is a solid selling point here.

binkHN 4y ago
It’s in beta, will be formally released very soon and there is more than enough detail out there that goes over the updated permissions and related.
- bigiain 4y ago
  I'm looking forward to trying it out, but realistically it's gonna be running on low single digit percentage of all Android phones for at least 2 years. iOS 16 will be on 90+% of iOS devices by October... I'm probably going have to buy a newer Android phone to be able to install Android13, I doubt the Lineage crowd are going to bother building a version to run on even my newest Android phone - at least not anytime soon.
  - mfcl 4y ago
    I am not sure I understand who you are blaming for this. Google will update its Pixel devices just like Apple updates its iPhones. If Samsung and other phone makers don't push Android 13 on their current phones, then that's not Google's problem. > I'm looking forward to trying it out, but realistically it's gonna be running on low single digit percentage of all Android phones for at least 2 years. What difference does it make to you?
    - solardev 4y ago
      It was Google's choice to go with that model and allow Android to fragment like that.
      - blfr 4y ago
        Good point about the platform but you have a personal choice to get the Pixel or other phone that runs the latest Android its benefits. No different than getting an iPhone.
        solardev 4y ago
        I don't think that's a fair comparison. It's more like Windows (a thousand vendors, each with their own config) vs Mac (one vendor, a small handful of configs). Except it's even worse than that in the Android world because different vendors produce not just their own drivers, but their own UIs and apps that override the defaults. There's not just one Android but one for every major vendor, and thing like calendars, photos, messages, voice assistants, files, accounts, etc. can't easily be shared between them. I have a Pixel and my partner a Samsung, and we can never figure out how to share things with each other because every vendor's Android is so different. That is a direct result of Google releasing Android under a certain model of openness, trying to catch up with iOS when it was first released and needing to give phone vendors a reason to adopt it. It got really bad for a while and they tried to rein it in with Play phones and the Google One phones and the Pixel line, but the market is still incredibly fragmented, especially between the Samsung, HTC, Google, and other major vendor variants. Meanwhile on my iPad and Mac, everything is just seamless. After a decade of Pixels, I'm gonna switch to an iPhone soon, just because iMessage is still so much better and the carriers don't really seem to care about RCS. Android has like two dozen chat and messaging programs, all of which suck in various ways, while iOS has had one superior one all these years. Centralized control can make your platform a lot cleaner.
        blfr 4y ago
        The fragmentation does nothing to impair your own ability to use app permissions in Android 13. You only need Android 13 on your phone. No network effect. As for communication apps, there is exactly one great app for both Android and iPhone. It's the same app: Signal.
    - danaris 4y ago
      Wasn't there a problem recently where Google decided to stop supporting a Pixel phone after just 2-3 years? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30074185 (6 months ago, 683 comments)

notsapiensatall 4y ago

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how Google tends to follow Apple's better ideas, but Apple has usually been the leader in privacy innovations. It's frustrating. They make fantastic hardware, but their software leaves a lot to be desired, and they are extremely insistent on maintaining control over the devices that they sell. The M1s look like a small step in the right direction, but they have a lot of lost trust to rebuild.

figmaheart255 4y ago
> Yeah, I'm pretty happy with how Google tends to follow Apple's better ideas they just innovate in different areas. and they borrow from each other all the time. Android introduced multi-tasking, notifications, PiP, widgets, etc. iOS introduced the app screen, app store, gesture navigation, fingerprint unlock, etc. I think Android tends to cater towards power user features (like PiP and multi-tasking) whereas iOS tends to focus on UX (like gesture navigation).
- copp 4y ago
  Finger printer reader was first introduced in Motorola Atrix (Android). Then apple bought the company that provided finger print scanner to Atrix.
jjtheblunt 4y ago
I'm reading this from ArchLinux on an M2 Macbook Air that i just bought. Works great, but i suspect some drivers aren't tuned yet.

jjtheblunt 4y ago

where can you get Android 13?

binkHN 4y ago
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/devices https://developer.android.com/about/versions/13/devices
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  Those are beta releases though