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https://www.google.com/search?q=172aud+in+usd https://www.google.com/search?q=172aud+in+usd I'd add that the recent recovery has been used by some climate chan

https://www.google.com/search?q=172aud+in+usd https://www.google.com/search?q=172aud+in+usd I'd add that the recent recovery has been used by some climate change deniers as justification for ignoring the bigger picture, a sad situation given Australia's emissions per capita. I too dove on the reef in the early 1990s and have seen no reef of that caliber since, anywhere.

gedy 4y ago
> a sad situation given Australia's emissions per capita. While I understand per capita for fairness, etc, for systems like the GBR this is meaningless compared to absolute output. Australians could individually emit 4x what a Chinese person does and would matter very little given the low population of Australia.
- h0l0cube 4y ago
  > While I understand per capita for fairness It's not even really fair. Do those measures account for the emissions of everything we purchase from overseas? China is an outsourced factory for the world. It's hard to point the finger at China's emissions when a large chunk of the developed world's goods are produced by them. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...
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  - steve_adams_86 4y ago
    I wonder. Is it possible to extrapolate emissions based on imports in a meaningful way? Say we import 10,000,000 beanie babies and we know each one requires an average of 100kg of CO2 to manufacture and export. Based on that data could we determine more accurate per capita emissions? Not sure if this would be entirely pointless to approximate or makes no sense to begin with. You could categorize it as domestic emissions and market/demand emissions.
    - h0l0cube 4y ago
      That link from Our World in Data provides it methodology: https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2 https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2 From a cursory googling it seems that 'consumption-based accounting' is something that is being heavily researched, and we need to start distinguishing it from the simplistic and flawed 'production-based accounting' in the press, and in political discourse.
    - contingencies 4y ago
      Awesome idea. Execute. Could start with the existing system of international cargo categories and order of magnitude production emissions and packing assumptions based upon standard containers (refrigerated or 40" TEU or whatever). Then add trucking, storage and distribution metrics.
hackernewds 4y ago
Are the reefs back to 1990s quality? this makes it seem like they are
- boffinAudio 4y ago
  They are not, and won't be for another 1000 years .. after we are gone.

gedy 4y ago

> a sad situation given Australia's emissions per capita. While I understand per capita for fairness, etc, for systems like the GBR this is meaningless compared to absolute output. Australians could individually emit 4x what a Chinese person does and would matter very little given the low population of Australia.

h0l0cube 4y ago
> While I understand per capita for fairness It's not even really fair. Do those measures account for the emissions of everything we purchase from overseas? China is an outsourced factory for the world. It's hard to point the finger at China's emissions when a large chunk of the developed world's goods are produced by them. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...
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- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  I wonder. Is it possible to extrapolate emissions based on imports in a meaningful way? Say we import 10,000,000 beanie babies and we know each one requires an average of 100kg of CO2 to manufacture and export. Based on that data could we determine more accurate per capita emissions? Not sure if this would be entirely pointless to approximate or makes no sense to begin with. You could categorize it as domestic emissions and market/demand emissions.
  - h0l0cube 4y ago
    That link from Our World in Data provides it methodology: https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2 https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2 From a cursory googling it seems that 'consumption-based accounting' is something that is being heavily researched, and we need to start distinguishing it from the simplistic and flawed 'production-based accounting' in the press, and in political discourse.
  - contingencies 4y ago
    Awesome idea. Execute. Could start with the existing system of international cargo categories and order of magnitude production emissions and packing assumptions based upon standard containers (refrigerated or 40" TEU or whatever). Then add trucking, storage and distribution metrics.

hackernewds 4y ago

Are the reefs back to 1990s quality? this makes it seem like they are

boffinAudio 4y ago
They are not, and won't be for another 1000 years .. after we are gone.