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And my point is, doing that is the worst UX thing you can do.

lproven 4y ago
On the one hand: GNOME 3 did the same thing. That seems to be overlooked a lot. On the other hand: If you're a keyboard user, like me, then all the Windows keystrokes that worked in GNOME 2 still work in Unity, so it's much less jarring than KDE or something. As an example: the Windows Quick Launch toolbar, that came in with Win98 in 1998, lets you start the first 10 apps by pressing Win+0 to 9. Unity honours that. Most people didn't know it was there, but if you did, it still worked. That is what I consider good attention to detail. UI that you didn't even know was there was carefully preserved to make Unity less of a shock to the system. Yet all the mob bitch about is that it's Mac-like, which was because Ubuntu was under threat of prosecution for being too Windows-like. Be fair. Learn about this and consider it. Because currently it looks like you're not.
- smeagull 4y ago
  > If you're a keyboard user, like me, then all the Windows keystrokes that worked in GNOME 2 still work in Unity, so it's much less jarring than KDE or something. Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. Fuck them. > Learn about this and consider it. NO. Fuck you. I have my UI and it will work how I want it to. The UI comes to me, I don't change to fit the operating system. That's bullshit. This is ergonomics 101. They keep changing shit for the sake of change, then fuck them. They don't get to keep their install base, and nobody will bother to learn their bullshit.
  - lproven 4y ago
    You took the time to reply to me after a week, so OK, I'll do you the same courtesy. > Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. I'd never even heard of "readline keystrokes" before. > Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. I am not sure what that does, but hey, I'm sorry you feel that way. But I have 2 counter-arguments. Neither will satisfy you, I realise, but hey, I feel it's important to say. #1: Bash has used this since the 1980s. According to Wikipedia, Bash was first released on June 8, 1989. Windows has used alt-Space for the window control menu since at least Windows 2.0 -- I used Windows 2. I didn't like it much but I used it. Windows 2.0 was released December 9, 1987. So, that's 18 months earlier. If that was a new bash feature in 1989 then Brian Fox used a keystroke that was already in use by a widely-used GUI. Bad plan. #2: Bash is on millions of Linux boxes, and Mac OS X from 10.3 to 10.15, and probably FreeBSD and maybe other BSDs. OTOH, we are talking about a basic Windows keystroke that's probably on billions of machines. At least 100 Windows boxes for every Linux box, I would guess. I am not arguing that this is right or proper or good. But on sheer numbers, the piece of software that used it first and which is used by 2 orders of magnitude more people gets to keep it, IMHO. Sorry, but either on numbers or on chronology, it's fairly clear, IMHO.

On the one hand: GNOME 3 did the same thing. That seems to be overlooked a lot. On the other hand: If you're a keyboard user, like me, then all the Windows keystrokes that worked in GNOME 2 still work in Unity, so it's much less jarring than KDE or something. As an example: the Windows Quick Launch toolbar, that came in with Win98 in 1998, lets you start the first 10 apps by pressing Win+0 to 9. Unity honours that. Most people didn't know it was there, but if you did, it still worked. That is what I consider good attention to detail. UI that you didn't even know was there was carefully preserved to make Unity less of a shock to the system. Yet all the mob bitch about is that it's Mac-like, which was because Ubuntu was under threat of prosecution for being too Windows-like. Be fair. Learn about this and consider it. Because currently it looks like you're not.

smeagull 4y ago
> If you're a keyboard user, like me, then all the Windows keystrokes that worked in GNOME 2 still work in Unity, so it's much less jarring than KDE or something. Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. Fuck them. > Learn about this and consider it. NO. Fuck you. I have my UI and it will work how I want it to. The UI comes to me, I don't change to fit the operating system. That's bullshit. This is ergonomics 101. They keep changing shit for the sake of change, then fuck them. They don't get to keep their install base, and nobody will bother to learn their bullshit.
- lproven 4y ago
  You took the time to reply to me after a week, so OK, I'll do you the same courtesy. > Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. I'd never even heard of "readline keystrokes" before. > Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. I am not sure what that does, but hey, I'm sorry you feel that way. But I have 2 counter-arguments. Neither will satisfy you, I realise, but hey, I feel it's important to say. #1: Bash has used this since the 1980s. According to Wikipedia, Bash was first released on June 8, 1989. Windows has used alt-Space for the window control menu since at least Windows 2.0 -- I used Windows 2. I didn't like it much but I used it. Windows 2.0 was released December 9, 1987. So, that's 18 months earlier. If that was a new bash feature in 1989 then Brian Fox used a keystroke that was already in use by a widely-used GUI. Bad plan. #2: Bash is on millions of Linux boxes, and Mac OS X from 10.3 to 10.15, and probably FreeBSD and maybe other BSDs. OTOH, we are talking about a basic Windows keystroke that's probably on billions of machines. At least 100 Windows boxes for every Linux box, I would guess. I am not arguing that this is right or proper or good. But on sheer numbers, the piece of software that used it first and which is used by 2 orders of magnitude more people gets to keep it, IMHO. Sorry, but either on numbers or on chronology, it's fairly clear, IMHO.