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Can anyone from Square or Twitter confirm this work schedule?

by bproper 15y ago

igorgue 15y ago
Did you really just ask that question? Unless somebody says: "Yes, and he even work more" you are not gonna get someone saying "No he doesn't work that much".
lwhi 15y ago
Perhaps this is actually the time he spends using each service ...
n8agrin 15y ago
I left Twitter about a month ago and would say this is pretty accurate.
- deleted 15y ago
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jes5199 15y ago
Well, they don't actually let us follow Jack around all day - we have our own jobs to do. So no, I honestly have no idea how long he's in the office or outside the office doing Square work or at the other company.
jof 15y ago
I'm pretty familiar with Jack's situation. Yes, this is indeed true, now. For a time he was splitting one day on / one day off at each company. Frankly, Jack has very little time outside of his work, but I wouldn't say that he doesn't have a life. His work is his life and they are closely intertwined. This is great, since it means he's quite passionate about both product sets and the quality of his companies' net output really shines, IMO. The danger of this obsessive behavior though is that it can begin to warp ones perspective on others' work/life balance. Jack works like a dog because he's excited about what he does, so it seems to baffle him when those around him aren't equally excited and committed to their work as well. In the case of Square, they've been very quick to fire anyone who isn't putting 80+% percent of their life into Square -- often with little warning or reason. Dogma is dangerous.
- brown9-2 15y ago
  His work is his life and they are closely intertwined. This is great... IMO. In the case of Square, they've been very quick to fire anyone who isn't putting 80+% percent of their life into Square -- often with little warning or reason. What does this mean practically - that employees are expected to put 134 hours a week into working at Square? Or does sleep time not count against them, meaning they are expected to work only 89.6 hours a week? How many hours of sleep each night does Square recommend their employees get?
  - jof 15y ago
    No number is made explicit -- they can't really be demanding more than 40 hours / week for exempt employees in California. You're expected to "find your own work/life balance", but there is strong social pressure to stay in the office nights and weekends. I would expect to work 70 - 80+ weeks there if you're really into it (and checking in / working at home in the evenings and mornings).
    - SCdF 15y ago
      US employment law is nuts, here in NZ you'd have an amazingly hard time firing people who don't work the 80hr weeks you wish they did.
      - ghshephard 15y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean about "US employment law is nuts". If you are an hourly employee, you get paid so many dollars/hours, for the number of hours you work, and after you work so many hours a day, you get paid overtime. If you are exempt (Salaried) - you basically work when your manager tells you to. I've been at (several) companies where we had 3-4 month death marches with _everyone_ working late and on weekends in the office to push the ball over the line.
        bluedanieru 15y ago
        I think he means exactly what you just described. That if you're paid hourly you'll get overtime so don't complain lest you be fired. That simply deciding you don't want to work those hours regardless of the overtime pay is not on the table. That if you're a salaried employee and a white collar worker, somehow any and all abuse is justified in the name of making you really earn that 85K a year plus some options we're probably going to screw you out of anyway. That you can be fired for trying to organize. That you can be fired for being sick, subsequently lose access to health care, and die. That you get two, maybe three weeks vacation a year, if you're lucky. And we'll shit on you for taking it, btw. I guess what he's getting at is that the US is a pretty terrible place to work and live, gilded though the cage may often be, and it is hard to disagree.

Can anyone from Square or Twitter confirm this work schedule?

by bproper 15y ago

Can anyone from Square or Twitter confirm this work schedule?

Did you really just ask that question? Unless somebody says: "Yes, and he even work more" you are not gonna get someone saying "No he doesn't work that much".

lwhi 15y ago

Perhaps this is actually the time he spends using each service ...

n8agrin 15y ago

I left Twitter about a month ago and would say this is pretty accurate.

deleted 15y ago
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jes5199 15y ago

Well, they don't actually let us follow Jack around all day - we have our own jobs to do. So no, I honestly have no idea how long he's in the office or outside the office doing Square work or at the other company.

jof 15y ago

I'm pretty familiar with Jack's situation. Yes, this is indeed true, now. For a time he was splitting one day on / one day off at each company. Frankly, Jack has very little time outside of his work, but I wouldn't say that he doesn't have a life. His work is his life and they are closely intertwined. This is great, since it means he's quite passionate about both product sets and the quality of his companies' net output really shines, IMO. The danger of this obsessive behavior though is that it can begin to warp ones perspective on others' work/life balance. Jack works like a dog because he's excited about what he does, so it seems to baffle him when those around him aren't equally excited and committed to their work as well. In the case of Square, they've been very quick to fire anyone who isn't putting 80+% percent of their life into Square -- often with little warning or reason. Dogma is dangerous.

brown9-2 15y ago
His work is his life and they are closely intertwined. This is great... IMO. In the case of Square, they've been very quick to fire anyone who isn't putting 80+% percent of their life into Square -- often with little warning or reason. What does this mean practically - that employees are expected to put 134 hours a week into working at Square? Or does sleep time not count against them, meaning they are expected to work only 89.6 hours a week? How many hours of sleep each night does Square recommend their employees get?
- jof 15y ago
  No number is made explicit -- they can't really be demanding more than 40 hours / week for exempt employees in California. You're expected to "find your own work/life balance", but there is strong social pressure to stay in the office nights and weekends. I would expect to work 70 - 80+ weeks there if you're really into it (and checking in / working at home in the evenings and mornings).
  - SCdF 15y ago
    US employment law is nuts, here in NZ you'd have an amazingly hard time firing people who don't work the 80hr weeks you wish they did.
    - ghshephard 15y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean about "US employment law is nuts". If you are an hourly employee, you get paid so many dollars/hours, for the number of hours you work, and after you work so many hours a day, you get paid overtime. If you are exempt (Salaried) - you basically work when your manager tells you to. I've been at (several) companies where we had 3-4 month death marches with _everyone_ working late and on weekends in the office to push the ball over the line.
      - bluedanieru 15y ago
        I think he means exactly what you just described. That if you're paid hourly you'll get overtime so don't complain lest you be fired. That simply deciding you don't want to work those hours regardless of the overtime pay is not on the table. That if you're a salaried employee and a white collar worker, somehow any and all abuse is justified in the name of making you really earn that 85K a year plus some options we're probably going to screw you out of anyway. That you can be fired for trying to organize. That you can be fired for being sick, subsequently lose access to health care, and die. That you get two, maybe three weeks vacation a year, if you're lucky. And we'll shit on you for taking it, btw. I guess what he's getting at is that the US is a pretty terrible place to work and live, gilded though the cage may often be, and it is hard to disagree.