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Mandatory "allow shorts at work" rule should be next.

llampx 4y ago
I find this such a nasty bit of insidious sexism in the workplace. Men are supposed to wear full sleeves and full pants all the time, and being in shorts or short sleeves is seen as unprofessional. Less of an issue if you WFH but anytime summer hits, take a look in downtown and what people are dressed up in. Women are in light summer dresses or shorts and men are in restrictive full clothing. Same goes for choice of footwear.
- criley2 4y ago
  I think most women would trade and accept male clothing restrictions rather than the nonsense social requirements of heels, make-up, and all of the rigamarole that goes with women's clothing, between its fragility and difficulty of washing, to its cost, to the inherent sexism of how all of it is "looks over function", mostly pocketless with low utility, etc. I also don't think most men would trade into that horror scape we've created for women. If you're one of the few men who would, good on you. I say, wear those heels and skirts, and see who cares.
  - forinti 4y ago
    Where I work, women can use shorts and even flip-flops but men must wear trousers and shoes.
  - llampx 4y ago
    Women do wear men's clothing or women's version of it (eg boyfriend jeans) and it is seen as acceptable. Whereas men wearing dresses or skirts is still quite fringe, unless you live in the punk scene in Berlin.
    - markeibes 4y ago
      Be the change you want to see in the world.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    > nonsense social requirements of heels, make-up Which part of the world has such social requirements?
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    If you're a woman and you object, just don't follow that convention. Eventually it won't be a convention anymore. PS I'm a guy and I think women are more sexy without the heels, makeup, skirtsuits etc. They just look too fake with all the stuff.
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      > If you're a woman and you object, just don't follow that convention. Eventually it won't be a convention anymore. > PS I’m a guy Yeah dude, that’s redundant. > They just look too fake with all the stuff. Women don’t exist to be sexy for you. Whether they’re dressing for a standard you like or one you don’t like.
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        > Yeah dude, that’s redundant It's my ex's philosophy though. She refuses to dress up for work etc. And has no issues with that. > Women don’t exist to be sexy for you. Whether they’re dressing for a standard you like or one you don’t like. Of course but wasn't that the point of the whole standard? My point is it doesn't even work, but I agree it shouldn't even be a thing.
  - exolymph 4y ago
    Am woman; I simply opt out of all that rigmarole (such a good word!) and I'm so glad I work in an industry where it doesn't matter. I don't even wear a bra because I can't be bothered with an extra garment for the sole purpose of concealing my nipples. (Chestier people often appreciate their bras, but I'm not generously endowed enough to need the structural support.) Never been called out on any of it, even the bralessness, in professional contexts or otherwise. (I know some will think that's inappropriate — don't care, you'll live.)
    - halfnormalform 4y ago
      I’m a guy who wears a sleeveless t shirt sometimes for the sole purpose of concealing my nipples. Are we in the same boat? We’re mammals for goodness sake!
  - ralph84 4y ago
    Women who dress that way are doing it to compete with other women, not because men told them to.
- seydor 4y ago
  why do they keep working there?
- kn0where 4y ago
  Reading stuff like this makes me glad to live on the west coast, where dad shorts and a t-shirt is appropriate workplace attire.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  > I find this such a nasty bit of insidious sexism in the workplace. Men are supposed to wear full sleeves and full pants all the time, and being in shorts or short sleeves is seen as unprofessional. I'm working in Spain and I never wear anything different than a T-shirt at the office. I never wear shorts but I just don't like them. I don't think they're expressly forbidden especially with this new law. It's a poorly designed law though IMO, as there's another law that forbids a workplace to be over 25 degrees if anything other than sedentary work is carried out. Also, 27 is a lot. They just should have taken 25 for this measure. Then both laws would have been complied with and it wouldn't be so severe on the workers. I know something needed to be done because some shops were like fridges and they kept the doors wide open. But 27 degrees in the office is painful.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Update: They changed it today to 25 :D Makes more sense like I said.

I find this such a nasty bit of insidious sexism in the workplace. Men are supposed to wear full sleeves and full pants all the time, and being in shorts or short sleeves is seen as unprofessional. Less of an issue if you WFH but anytime summer hits, take a look in downtown and what people are dressed up in. Women are in light summer dresses or shorts and men are in restrictive full clothing. Same goes for choice of footwear.

criley2 4y ago
I think most women would trade and accept male clothing restrictions rather than the nonsense social requirements of heels, make-up, and all of the rigamarole that goes with women's clothing, between its fragility and difficulty of washing, to its cost, to the inherent sexism of how all of it is "looks over function", mostly pocketless with low utility, etc. I also don't think most men would trade into that horror scape we've created for women. If you're one of the few men who would, good on you. I say, wear those heels and skirts, and see who cares.
- forinti 4y ago
  Where I work, women can use shorts and even flip-flops but men must wear trousers and shoes.
- llampx 4y ago
  Women do wear men's clothing or women's version of it (eg boyfriend jeans) and it is seen as acceptable. Whereas men wearing dresses or skirts is still quite fringe, unless you live in the punk scene in Berlin.
  - markeibes 4y ago
    Be the change you want to see in the world.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  > nonsense social requirements of heels, make-up Which part of the world has such social requirements?
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  If you're a woman and you object, just don't follow that convention. Eventually it won't be a convention anymore. PS I'm a guy and I think women are more sexy without the heels, makeup, skirtsuits etc. They just look too fake with all the stuff.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    > If you're a woman and you object, just don't follow that convention. Eventually it won't be a convention anymore. > PS I’m a guy Yeah dude, that’s redundant. > They just look too fake with all the stuff. Women don’t exist to be sexy for you. Whether they’re dressing for a standard you like or one you don’t like.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      > Yeah dude, that’s redundant It's my ex's philosophy though. She refuses to dress up for work etc. And has no issues with that. > Women don’t exist to be sexy for you. Whether they’re dressing for a standard you like or one you don’t like. Of course but wasn't that the point of the whole standard? My point is it doesn't even work, but I agree it shouldn't even be a thing.
- exolymph 4y ago
  Am woman; I simply opt out of all that rigmarole (such a good word!) and I'm so glad I work in an industry where it doesn't matter. I don't even wear a bra because I can't be bothered with an extra garment for the sole purpose of concealing my nipples. (Chestier people often appreciate their bras, but I'm not generously endowed enough to need the structural support.) Never been called out on any of it, even the bralessness, in professional contexts or otherwise. (I know some will think that's inappropriate — don't care, you'll live.)
  - halfnormalform 4y ago
    I’m a guy who wears a sleeveless t shirt sometimes for the sole purpose of concealing my nipples. Are we in the same boat? We’re mammals for goodness sake!
- ralph84 4y ago
  Women who dress that way are doing it to compete with other women, not because men told them to.
seydor 4y ago
why do they keep working there?
kn0where 4y ago
Reading stuff like this makes me glad to live on the west coast, where dad shorts and a t-shirt is appropriate workplace attire.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
> I find this such a nasty bit of insidious sexism in the workplace. Men are supposed to wear full sleeves and full pants all the time, and being in shorts or short sleeves is seen as unprofessional. I'm working in Spain and I never wear anything different than a T-shirt at the office. I never wear shorts but I just don't like them. I don't think they're expressly forbidden especially with this new law. It's a poorly designed law though IMO, as there's another law that forbids a workplace to be over 25 degrees if anything other than sedentary work is carried out. Also, 27 is a lot. They just should have taken 25 for this measure. Then both laws would have been complied with and it wouldn't be so severe on the workers. I know something needed to be done because some shops were like fridges and they kept the doors wide open. But 27 degrees in the office is painful.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Update: They changed it today to 25 :D Makes more sense like I said.