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I've seen Excel trive in no places more so than those commited to the "one true ERP" religeon. And it is not subversion. It is people trying to do their job de

I've seen Excel trive in no places more so than those commited to the "one true ERP" religeon. And it is not subversion. It is people trying to do their job despite draconian topdown unworcable policies and systems shoved down their thoat, keeping the operations side afloat in the face of debilitating managerial ignorance.

hef19898 4y ago
From experience, most Excel solutions are due to people refusing to use whatever solution their ERP system is offering. Often with disasterous results, results that nobody really sees because it is just the status quo. Nothing wrong to use Excel for reporting and number crunching, ERP systems are not designed to do that. I hate it when people take short cuts and corners because they refuse to accept that an ERP is there for a reason. I also hate it when the people setting uo an ERP ignore business needs. UX so is, rightly so, taking a back seat in all of these discusions.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > From experience, most Excel solutions are due to people refusing to use whatever solution their ERP system is offering. From experience, most Excel solutions are because people get rebuffed (or have learned by experience that they will expend lots of effort and the be rebuffed or given something not fit for purpose) by the bureaucratic processes necessary to get anything provided to them by their enterprise systems (ERP or otherwise) by the high priesthood that centrally administers those systems.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    As part of that priesthood, Excel is neither SOX nor otherwise compliant. If users get rebuffed, that is the overall system working as intended.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      As someone who has worked on both sides, if you don't want people making crappy excel-based, local-to-their-shop solutions, but they are because of the unresponsiveness and inutility of your central IT bureaucracy, the system is not, in fact, working as intended.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        I think we are actually agreeing here. If users are left alone, they cannot be blamed for trying whatever they can to make things work. ERP only works when IT and business works together.

hef19898 4y ago

From experience, most Excel solutions are due to people refusing to use whatever solution their ERP system is offering. Often with disasterous results, results that nobody really sees because it is just the status quo. Nothing wrong to use Excel for reporting and number crunching, ERP systems are not designed to do that. I hate it when people take short cuts and corners because they refuse to accept that an ERP is there for a reason. I also hate it when the people setting uo an ERP ignore business needs. UX so is, rightly so, taking a back seat in all of these discusions.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> From experience, most Excel solutions are due to people refusing to use whatever solution their ERP system is offering. From experience, most Excel solutions are because people get rebuffed (or have learned by experience that they will expend lots of effort and the be rebuffed or given something not fit for purpose) by the bureaucratic processes necessary to get anything provided to them by their enterprise systems (ERP or otherwise) by the high priesthood that centrally administers those systems.
- hef19898 4y ago
  As part of that priesthood, Excel is neither SOX nor otherwise compliant. If users get rebuffed, that is the overall system working as intended.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    As someone who has worked on both sides, if you don't want people making crappy excel-based, local-to-their-shop solutions, but they are because of the unresponsiveness and inutility of your central IT bureaucracy, the system is not, in fact, working as intended.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      I think we are actually agreeing here. If users are left alone, they cannot be blamed for trying whatever they can to make things work. ERP only works when IT and business works together.