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This need to be heard loud and clear. The main reason to use iProducts is the non-ad experience. App Store is already a horrible experience with their ads. If t

This need to be heard loud and clear. The main reason to use iProducts is the non-ad experience. App Store is already a horrible experience with their ads. If this expands, I don't see why one shouldn't move to Google.

jjtheblunt 4y ago
because Google is all ads all the time, and you're the ad?
- vkou 4y ago
  For those of us old enough to remember television, cable TV also started out as a premium experience that you pay for, that did not have ads. Fast foward to the present, and cable TV is nothing but ads, you are the product, and you get to pay $XYZ/month for the privilege of being advertised to. It's just a matter of time until Apple will be the cable TV of tech. Just because you pay, or even pay a premium doesn't mean you aren't the product. When quarterly growth expected by shareholders cannot be met by getting new users, it will be met by squeezing existing ones.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    i hope you're wrong about it being a matter of time until Apple advertises us to oblivion, but i know what you mean!
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Why does this false meme keep coming up? Basic cable was never a premium experience. Cable was first introduced to bring network TV - with ads - to areas that couldn’t get over the air reception, The only stations that were add free were the same premium channels that you have today like HBO. Some of the earliest cable “superstations” were just rebroadcast of local channels with ads like TBS and WGzn.
    - webmobdev 4y ago
      In India, regulations stated that ads on cable TV pay-to-view were supposed to be limited / less than Free-to-Air channels. But it wasn't much different ...
    - Handytinge 4y ago
      Maybe your view of the world is a bit too narrow. The above was absolutely true in my market (Australia). The GP didn't appear to specify a country, so I'm unsure why you're trying to invalidate their experience.
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    I think the same will first happen to Netflix, but yeah if ios drops the premium experience then Apple will find that they will have to compete with all the other Android manufacturers. It is already a pain point for apps, because they tend to assume that it is fine to make the same shitty app for both platforms. Apple really should be way more strict with the quality of apps they approve.
- notsapiensatall 4y ago
  Eh, it's overblown. I use Android, and I don't see ads. I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections. But because they forbid any browser besides Safari/WebKit, the iOS version of Firefox cannot run ordinary extensions. I tried, but I could not find a content blocker that was nearly as effective as uBlock+noScript. So I'm back on Android, where I can browse the web in peace.
  - bigyikes 4y ago
    Check out Orion[1]. They claim to run web extensions on iOS. Apparently they ported many extension APIs to work with WebKit, which sounds pretty impressive. I can’t vouch for their iOS browser (yet) but I’ve been using their Mac browser and it’s been pleasant. [1]: https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/
    - dotproto 4y ago
      But … Safari runs WebExtensions on iOS? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/saf...
      - rafram 4y ago
        A really bad implementation of the WebExtension API (many missing features compared to other browsers and next to no relevant documentation) that also requires wrapping each extension with an iOS app and distributing it on the App Store.
    - cmroanirgo 4y ago
      From their FAQ (https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss) > Is Orion open-source? > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future. Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please consider becoming a beta tester.
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- crossroadsguy 4y ago
  Because if Apple does ads and Google does ads then it would be categorically stupid to still pay the "halo tax" to Apple with incredibly inferior software and services. How about that? Or maybe for the blue bubble?
- anothernewdude 4y ago
  Does google have ads? I've not seen one for so long.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  I'm reluctantly using Android and I haven't seen ads using it in years.
eastbound 4y ago
Because Google didn’t encrypt mobile phones until Android 6, and updates are up to the manufacturer, so Android’s security culture is globally appalling? in addition to permissions being intentionally mingled, for the benefit of advertisers. At least Apple pretends that the consumer is the client.
- inlined 4y ago
  I’m an iOS user aside from a few attempts to switch. But I’ve never heard this accusation before that permissions are grouped in a way that benefit advertisers. Could you elaborate?
  - easrng 4y ago
    They might be talking about Bluetooth requiring location permissions, which seems reasonable to me. Their reasoning is that if you can scan for Bluetooth devices you can fingerprint and potentially get a location anyway.
anothernewdude 4y ago
Ads always makes me think a service is shit. If it needs ads, how can it be good software? It makes them look so unprofessional.

jjtheblunt 4y ago

because Google is all ads all the time, and you're the ad?

vkou 4y ago
For those of us old enough to remember television, cable TV also started out as a premium experience that you pay for, that did not have ads. Fast foward to the present, and cable TV is nothing but ads, you are the product, and you get to pay $XYZ/month for the privilege of being advertised to. It's just a matter of time until Apple will be the cable TV of tech. Just because you pay, or even pay a premium doesn't mean you aren't the product. When quarterly growth expected by shareholders cannot be met by getting new users, it will be met by squeezing existing ones.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  i hope you're wrong about it being a matter of time until Apple advertises us to oblivion, but i know what you mean!
- scarface74 4y ago
  Why does this false meme keep coming up? Basic cable was never a premium experience. Cable was first introduced to bring network TV - with ads - to areas that couldn’t get over the air reception, The only stations that were add free were the same premium channels that you have today like HBO. Some of the earliest cable “superstations” were just rebroadcast of local channels with ads like TBS and WGzn.
  - webmobdev 4y ago
    In India, regulations stated that ads on cable TV pay-to-view were supposed to be limited / less than Free-to-Air channels. But it wasn't much different ...
  - Handytinge 4y ago
    Maybe your view of the world is a bit too narrow. The above was absolutely true in my market (Australia). The GP didn't appear to specify a country, so I'm unsure why you're trying to invalidate their experience.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  I think the same will first happen to Netflix, but yeah if ios drops the premium experience then Apple will find that they will have to compete with all the other Android manufacturers. It is already a pain point for apps, because they tend to assume that it is fine to make the same shitty app for both platforms. Apple really should be way more strict with the quality of apps they approve.
notsapiensatall 4y ago
Eh, it's overblown. I use Android, and I don't see ads. I tried moving to iOS for the bleeding-edge app permissions and privacy protections. But because they forbid any browser besides Safari/WebKit, the iOS version of Firefox cannot run ordinary extensions. I tried, but I could not find a content blocker that was nearly as effective as uBlock+noScript. So I'm back on Android, where I can browse the web in peace.
- bigyikes 4y ago
  Check out Orion[1]. They claim to run web extensions on iOS. Apparently they ported many extension APIs to work with WebKit, which sounds pretty impressive. I can’t vouch for their iOS browser (yet) but I’ve been using their Mac browser and it’s been pleasant. [1]: https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/
  - dotproto 4y ago
    But … Safari runs WebExtensions on iOS? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/safari_web_extensions https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/saf...
    - rafram 4y ago
      A really bad implementation of the WebExtension API (many missing features compared to other browsers and next to no relevant documentation) that also requires wrapping each extension with an iOS app and distributing it on the App Store.
  - cmroanirgo 4y ago
    From their FAQ (https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss) > Is Orion open-source? > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future. Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please consider becoming a beta tester.
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crossroadsguy 4y ago
Because if Apple does ads and Google does ads then it would be categorically stupid to still pay the "halo tax" to Apple with incredibly inferior software and services. How about that? Or maybe for the blue bubble?
anothernewdude 4y ago
Does google have ads? I've not seen one for so long.
heavyset_go 4y ago
I'm reluctantly using Android and I haven't seen ads using it in years.

eastbound 4y ago

Because Google didn’t encrypt mobile phones until Android 6, and updates are up to the manufacturer, so Android’s security culture is globally appalling? in addition to permissions being intentionally mingled, for the benefit of advertisers. At least Apple pretends that the consumer is the client.

inlined 4y ago
I’m an iOS user aside from a few attempts to switch. But I’ve never heard this accusation before that permissions are grouped in a way that benefit advertisers. Could you elaborate?
- easrng 4y ago
  They might be talking about Bluetooth requiring location permissions, which seems reasonable to me. Their reasoning is that if you can scan for Bluetooth devices you can fingerprint and potentially get a location anyway.

anothernewdude 4y ago

Ads always makes me think a service is shit. If it needs ads, how can it be good software? It makes them look so unprofessional.