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In this context the argument against Visa is that (through MindGeek) they are profiting from child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography. I'm s

In this context the argument against Visa is that (through MindGeek) they are profiting from child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography. I'm sympathetic to the idea that consenting adults not hurting others should be allowed to do what they want - but that's not the issue here. Real people are really being hurt so saying "Why not let others enjoy it" is beside the point. If you found out Disneyland employees raped one out of every thousand guests then saying "I understand you might not like Disneyland but why not let other people enjoy it?" Wouldn't be a great argument. I don't think companies should profit off of child, revenge, and rape pornography and if they can't figure out how to run their platform such that they aren't doing that, then they should be penalized or shut down.

junofan 4y ago
Are you comparing Visa to Disneyland? One’s a theme park, while the other controls over half of all credit purchase volume. It’s more like the power company shutting off access to Disneyland; the likely outcome is the rapists will just move elsewhere—there wasn’t anything Disneyland-specific making them rapists.
TingPing 4y ago
There is no evidence this is a widespread problem though.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  It is quite silly to talk about the frequency with which this happens. Knowingly facilitating payments for videos of children being raped is illegal. It's illegal even if you mostly don't do that.
  - TingPing 4y ago
    They deleted like 90% of content on their site and required ID verification for all uploads. There is no evidence they knowingly do anything illegal.
nemothekid 4y ago
>they are profiting from child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography. This statement buries the lede; MindGeek profits off porn, but it isn't clear to me that "child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography" are the actual money makers for the company. Is it the case that they are actively distributed and profiting off of said content, or are they just deficient in moderating the platform. The distinction is important, if all it is is that they are not moderating the platform, the Facebook, Instagram and TikTok have far more cause to be deplatformed by Visa than MindGeek. MindGeek's platforms gets billions of impressions per day, and I find it hard to believe that most of the world is consuming child porn.
JamesBarney 4y ago
I bet the % of sex acts that are non-consensual from Tinder or Bumble is at least as high as the % on porn web sites considering there are more controls around porn and documented evidence of the crime. There is also decent evidence that proliferation of porn tends to reduce the number of rapes.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
I know, but the topic in the reaction above was that the real motive behind this was purportedly the banning of all porn by conservative groups and the OP thought this to be a good thing. This is what I responded to. Of course Child Abuse should be banned but it already is and there are already copious laws against it, which could be brought to bear against pornhub if they really facilitate it. However payment providers are starting to regulate even normal consensual adult porn now, which I definitely object to.
autoexec 4y ago
It doesn't matter if it's a website or Disney World. If someone is doing something that is against the law, the police should handle it. There is zero reason for visa, or anyone else to involve themselves (aside from informing law enforcement so that they can deal with the matter).

junofan 4y ago

Are you comparing Visa to Disneyland? One’s a theme park, while the other controls over half of all credit purchase volume. It’s more like the power company shutting off access to Disneyland; the likely outcome is the rapists will just move elsewhere—there wasn’t anything Disneyland-specific making them rapists.

TingPing 4y ago

There is no evidence this is a widespread problem though.

ALittleLight 4y ago
It is quite silly to talk about the frequency with which this happens. Knowingly facilitating payments for videos of children being raped is illegal. It's illegal even if you mostly don't do that.
- TingPing 4y ago
  They deleted like 90% of content on their site and required ID verification for all uploads. There is no evidence they knowingly do anything illegal.

nemothekid 4y ago

>they are profiting from child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography. This statement buries the lede; MindGeek profits off porn, but it isn't clear to me that "child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography" are the actual money makers for the company. Is it the case that they are actively distributed and profiting off of said content, or are they just deficient in moderating the platform. The distinction is important, if all it is is that they are not moderating the platform, the Facebook, Instagram and TikTok have far more cause to be deplatformed by Visa than MindGeek. MindGeek's platforms gets billions of impressions per day, and I find it hard to believe that most of the world is consuming child porn.

JamesBarney 4y ago

I bet the % of sex acts that are non-consensual from Tinder or Bumble is at least as high as the % on porn web sites considering there are more controls around porn and documented evidence of the crime. There is also decent evidence that proliferation of porn tends to reduce the number of rapes.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

I know, but the topic in the reaction above was that the real motive behind this was purportedly the banning of all porn by conservative groups and the OP thought this to be a good thing. This is what I responded to. Of course Child Abuse should be banned but it already is and there are already copious laws against it, which could be brought to bear against pornhub if they really facilitate it. However payment providers are starting to regulate even normal consensual adult porn now, which I definitely object to.

autoexec 4y ago

It doesn't matter if it's a website or Disney World. If someone is doing something that is against the law, the police should handle it. There is zero reason for visa, or anyone else to involve themselves (aside from informing law enforcement so that they can deal with the matter).