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Note that they're going after Visa over this. Not Mindgeek. That's because it never was about kiddie porn, it's about trying to block payment for porn in gene

Note that they're going after Visa over this. Not Mindgeek. That's because it never was about kiddie porn, it's about trying to block payment for porn in general. The case is highly deceptive, what actually happened: Pornhub used to permit anonymous uploading by amateurs. Yes, plenty of amateur stuff was posted, but with such a system of course some stuff slipped through that shouldn't--copyright, revenge and kiddie porn. When the problem came to light Pornhub deleted all the stuff that didn't have a proven identity. (And the US standards for proof on porn are too high. They're fine for a big studio but impossible for amateurs and they preclude any attempt to keep identities secret.) Only a sliver of the 80% of their database that got deleted was kiddie porn and note that not all kiddie porn is sexual abuse anyway--some of it is just teens being stupid.

sandworm101 4y ago
>> all kiddie porn is sexual abuse anyway Child, Pornography and Abuse ... each definition requires a multi-hour lecture at any law school. One can debate the definition of "child" for days without coming to any firm conclusion. But many states have very exacting laws, backed up by draconian punishments. It it perfectly reasonable for large corporations to take an equally harsh approach. The punishments for being "in possession" of such material are so dangerous that instantly deleting entire accounts/databases will be seen as reasonable business judgement. But I guess that is the point of such punishments. They are designed scare everyone into acting without hesitation.
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  Yeah, but that doesn't address my point--that not all kiddie porn is sexual abuse. Some of it is just teenagers being stupid filming themselves, no abuse involved.
_trampeltier 4y ago
When Pornhub deleted that much content the true (unspoken) reason was a diffrent one. Before Wirecard did make the moneytransfer for Pornub. But as we all now, Wirecard stopped to exist and sold some bussines parts. It was exactly the same time, when parts from Wirecard got sold again. I'm pretty sure in the new contract was something like you can't have anonymous uploads at all.

sandworm101 4y ago

>> all kiddie porn is sexual abuse anyway Child, Pornography and Abuse ... each definition requires a multi-hour lecture at any law school. One can debate the definition of "child" for days without coming to any firm conclusion. But many states have very exacting laws, backed up by draconian punishments. It it perfectly reasonable for large corporations to take an equally harsh approach. The punishments for being "in possession" of such material are so dangerous that instantly deleting entire accounts/databases will be seen as reasonable business judgement. But I guess that is the point of such punishments. They are designed scare everyone into acting without hesitation.

LorenPechtel 4y ago
Yeah, but that doesn't address my point--that not all kiddie porn is sexual abuse. Some of it is just teenagers being stupid filming themselves, no abuse involved.

_trampeltier 4y ago

When Pornhub deleted that much content the true (unspoken) reason was a diffrent one. Before Wirecard did make the moneytransfer for Pornub. But as we all now, Wirecard stopped to exist and sold some bussines parts. It was exactly the same time, when parts from Wirecard got sold again. I'm pretty sure in the new contract was something like you can't have anonymous uploads at all.