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The competition would be carbon neutral pesticide free soybeans, which I'm not sure are readily available? Soybeans also typically use energy intensive nitrogen

The competition would be carbon neutral pesticide free soybeans, which I'm not sure are readily available? Soybeans also typically use energy intensive nitrogen fertilizers, which I'm not sure this process requires. (It might, not sure.) Also, soybeans need to be shipped from fertile areas. This could be produced in situ in infertile areas. I'm not saying it's a panacea, but it has some benefits over traditional intensive agriculture.

DesertVarnish 4y ago
Is it actually standard practice to use nitrogen fertilizers with soybeans? Soy is a nitrogen fixer and I've read that nitrogen fertilizers often reduce yields for soybeans because it interferes with nodulation and undermines that plant's nitrogen fixing capacities.
- washbrain 4y ago
  Oh, great question actually. I mostly know wheat farmers, so that's the model that I have in my head, but yeah it would make sense they fix nitrogen.
- photochemsyn 4y ago
  Apparently soybeans are often grown in a double-cropping rotation, in which maize is planted first (along with N and P fertilization), and then no additional fertilizer is applied to the following soybean crop. This seems to be a comprehensive discussion (for South Dakota farmers anyway, pdf): https://extension.sdstate.edu/sites/default/files/2020-03/S-0004-21-Soybean.pdf https://extension.sdstate.edu/sites/default/files/2020-03/S-...
  - cmroanirgo 4y ago
    Making use of nitrogen fixing plants alleviates the need of fertilization. An easy one: clover. Bees also love clover. However you can explore other systems of cover cropping (I recall Diakon radishes draw up nitrogen from down low, up to the surface) which you terminate before seeding your main crop.
light_hue_1 4y ago
> The competition would be carbon neutral pesticide free soybeans, which I'm not sure are readily available? Soybeans also typically use energy intensive nitrogen fertilizers, which I'm not sure this process requires. (It might, not sure.) No it's not. This is the kind of thinking that so many new founders screw up with. The competition is what users are willing to buy instead of you. That's regular soy beans, not whatever market you decide it should be. Don't think this way.
- washbrain 4y ago
  I'm thinking like a consumer, specifically me as a consumer. I do not know how many consumers are like me, but I'm always looking for vegan, well rounded, non industrially farmed, pesticide free protein sources. So far, the leading candidate is pea protein, and while I love soybeans and tofu, it's hard to find soy that is ethically sourced. (Not encumbered with awful genetic patents, for instance.)

DesertVarnish 4y ago

Is it actually standard practice to use nitrogen fertilizers with soybeans? Soy is a nitrogen fixer and I've read that nitrogen fertilizers often reduce yields for soybeans because it interferes with nodulation and undermines that plant's nitrogen fixing capacities.

washbrain 4y ago
Oh, great question actually. I mostly know wheat farmers, so that's the model that I have in my head, but yeah it would make sense they fix nitrogen.
photochemsyn 4y ago
Apparently soybeans are often grown in a double-cropping rotation, in which maize is planted first (along with N and P fertilization), and then no additional fertilizer is applied to the following soybean crop. This seems to be a comprehensive discussion (for South Dakota farmers anyway, pdf): https://extension.sdstate.edu/sites/default/files/2020-03/S-0004-21-Soybean.pdf https://extension.sdstate.edu/sites/default/files/2020-03/S-...
- cmroanirgo 4y ago
  Making use of nitrogen fixing plants alleviates the need of fertilization. An easy one: clover. Bees also love clover. However you can explore other systems of cover cropping (I recall Diakon radishes draw up nitrogen from down low, up to the surface) which you terminate before seeding your main crop.

light_hue_1 4y ago

> The competition would be carbon neutral pesticide free soybeans, which I'm not sure are readily available? Soybeans also typically use energy intensive nitrogen fertilizers, which I'm not sure this process requires. (It might, not sure.) No it's not. This is the kind of thinking that so many new founders screw up with. The competition is what users are willing to buy instead of you. That's regular soy beans, not whatever market you decide it should be. Don't think this way.

washbrain 4y ago
I'm thinking like a consumer, specifically me as a consumer. I do not know how many consumers are like me, but I'm always looking for vegan, well rounded, non industrially farmed, pesticide free protein sources. So far, the leading candidate is pea protein, and while I love soybeans and tofu, it's hard to find soy that is ethically sourced. (Not encumbered with awful genetic patents, for instance.)