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I understand you may not like porn but why not let other people enjoy it?

donkarma 4y ago
- tedunangst 4y ago
  Other people already are allowed to enjoy cigarettes?
  - missedthecue 4y ago
    It is made more difficult to enjoy a cigarette every year. Taxes go up and up, smoking permissible places become fewer ans fewer, fines get higher and higher...
    - csomar 4y ago
      I mean if you want to smoke, smoke. Smoking and hand-smoking other people is not a good idea, however. The higher taxes, I agree. But that's affecting everything and it's everywhere (inflation is also a tax). There should be special tax on smoking where the proceeds go to smoking-related healthcare; however.
      - missedthecue 4y ago
        At least in my country, there is a smoking specific tax with proceeds that go to smoking related research and healthcare
- oarsinsync 4y ago
  I’d like it more if people were welcome to enjoy cigarettes in the same way that they’re welcome to enjoy pornography: not in public places. Alas, smoking in public places is still permitted, despite the fact that it has negative impact on others in those public places.
ALittleLight 4y ago
In this context the argument against Visa is that (through MindGeek) they are profiting from child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography. I'm sympathetic to the idea that consenting adults not hurting others should be allowed to do what they want - but that's not the issue here. Real people are really being hurt so saying "Why not let others enjoy it" is beside the point. If you found out Disneyland employees raped one out of every thousand guests then saying "I understand you might not like Disneyland but why not let other people enjoy it?" Wouldn't be a great argument. I don't think companies should profit off of child, revenge, and rape pornography and if they can't figure out how to run their platform such that they aren't doing that, then they should be penalized or shut down.
- junofan 4y ago
  Are you comparing Visa to Disneyland? One’s a theme park, while the other controls over half of all credit purchase volume. It’s more like the power company shutting off access to Disneyland; the likely outcome is the rapists will just move elsewhere—there wasn’t anything Disneyland-specific making them rapists.
- TingPing 4y ago
  There is no evidence this is a widespread problem though.
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    It is quite silly to talk about the frequency with which this happens. Knowingly facilitating payments for videos of children being raped is illegal. It's illegal even if you mostly don't do that.
    - TingPing 4y ago
      They deleted like 90% of content on their site and required ID verification for all uploads. There is no evidence they knowingly do anything illegal.
- nemothekid 4y ago

tedunangst 4y ago
Other people already are allowed to enjoy cigarettes?
- missedthecue 4y ago
  It is made more difficult to enjoy a cigarette every year. Taxes go up and up, smoking permissible places become fewer ans fewer, fines get higher and higher...
  - csomar 4y ago
    I mean if you want to smoke, smoke. Smoking and hand-smoking other people is not a good idea, however. The higher taxes, I agree. But that's affecting everything and it's everywhere (inflation is also a tax). There should be special tax on smoking where the proceeds go to smoking-related healthcare; however.
    - missedthecue 4y ago
      At least in my country, there is a smoking specific tax with proceeds that go to smoking related research and healthcare
oarsinsync 4y ago
I’d like it more if people were welcome to enjoy cigarettes in the same way that they’re welcome to enjoy pornography: not in public places. Alas, smoking in public places is still permitted, despite the fact that it has negative impact on others in those public places.

In this context the argument against Visa is that (through MindGeek) they are profiting from child pornography, revenge porn, and actual rape pornography. I'm sympathetic to the idea that consenting adults not hurting others should be allowed to do what they want - but that's not the issue here. Real people are really being hurt so saying "Why not let others enjoy it" is beside the point. If you found out Disneyland employees raped one out of every thousand guests then saying "I understand you might not like Disneyland but why not let other people enjoy it?" Wouldn't be a great argument. I don't think companies should profit off of child, revenge, and rape pornography and if they can't figure out how to run their platform such that they aren't doing that, then they should be penalized or shut down.

junofan 4y ago
Are you comparing Visa to Disneyland? One’s a theme park, while the other controls over half of all credit purchase volume. It’s more like the power company shutting off access to Disneyland; the likely outcome is the rapists will just move elsewhere—there wasn’t anything Disneyland-specific making them rapists.
TingPing 4y ago
There is no evidence this is a widespread problem though.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  It is quite silly to talk about the frequency with which this happens. Knowingly facilitating payments for videos of children being raped is illegal. It's illegal even if you mostly don't do that.
  - TingPing 4y ago
    They deleted like 90% of content on their site and required ID verification for all uploads. There is no evidence they knowingly do anything illegal.
nemothekid 4y ago