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I believe that recent crackdowns are worse for people in the long run. Lets assume that most sexually active people look at porn now and then, which I think is

I believe that recent crackdowns are worse for people in the long run. Lets assume that most sexually active people look at porn now and then, which I think is a safe assumption, and that teens learn about sex from watching porn. These changes and age verification requirements have eliminated all the normal amateur sex scenes between regular consenting adults (On RedTube for example) and left the age-verified professional porn, which depicts unrealistic sex between adults who don't give a sh*t about each other, but have perfect bodies and big parts. Instead of showing wholesome normal sex, now all we get is porn shop slut/stud sex

wollsmoth 4y ago
Studio shot material is definitely a bit more exaggerated and more selective with their performers. However, I don't really have the impression that amateur shot stuff is "showing wholesome normal sex". Some studios do produce more realistic video but in my experience the amateur stuff is just worse lit and self shot. Still usually made by someone just trying to get a few quick bucks.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  I think the OPs point was that teenagers could start considering this the 'normal'. Personally I give them a little more credit. But it is a good point.
  - wollsmoth 4y ago
    Yeah. It's hard to control what teens see and what their interpretation is. I don't know if there are really great examples of what healthy sex lives should be like. Everything is just extremely graphic and widely available.
  - sidlls 4y ago
    I don’t agree, based on at least my personal experience. My wife and I (40s) don’t engage in even a fraction of the acts I see commonly in porn. My bf (mid-20s) and I, on the other hand regularly do. He sees these acts as normal and expected. She definitely does not, and neither do I. Anecdotes aren’t data, to be sure, but my bf’s friend group has a similarly completely different view of what is “normal” with respect to sexual activity, and the same is true for others of similar age I’ve been involved with. I’m convinced porn definitely shapes the view of normal.
    - dTal 4y ago
      Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but your observations are fully explainable by porn following trends; no causal direction can be established from them.
      - sidlls 4y ago
        You have a point, but I don’t think I agree. The mid-20s group get the majority of their education about what to do for sex from porn as much as if not more than from their sex partners. They didn’t set the trends for porn that is watched today, unless they started influencing the market when they were pre-pubescent.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      Interesting, but it doesn't sound like a 'problem' per se. As long as people don't do these things against their wishes. It's not a bad thing if people broaden their sexual horizons IMO (though some of the sexual acts in porn are a bit gratuitous). But I strongly believe what consenting adults do in the bedroom is their business and nobody else's. And it does sound like it's definitely a subset of the more mainstream porn that he's practicing, after all the more extreme things often require more people. Like the other poster I also wonder whether this is a result of influencing from porn or that porn is influenced by changing behaviour. After all, porn wouldn't be made if people didn't like it.
- labrador 4y ago
  All I'm saying is that amateurs are going to have amateur sex so it's closer to the norm than pro sex and probably better for teens to watch and it's too bad that a lot of it will be gone, leaving mostly pro stuff. I understand the motivation: let's reduce the trafficking of women and revenge porn, but I'm not sure we're going about it in a good way.
  - listless 4y ago
    I think the main problem with studio work is that it sets highly unrealistic expectations for what a woman’s body looks like. It’s professionally groomed and unnatural and girls cannot possibly meet the same standard on any given Tuesday. Neither can guys but I feel like the expectations for guys are generally much lower anyway.
    - labrador 4y ago
      Except for the large member, which I've heard intimidates the less endowed.
      - techdragon 4y ago
        If I’ve remembered the relevant studies about average penis length correctly, self reported penis length averages to a value between one and two inches longer than clinically measured lengths average to depending on which studies you pick. Which is definitely indicative of that endowment anxiety as a widespread issue.
    - wollsmoth 4y ago
      That's true, but I think it's also true of most movies and tv. Any group of people you see have been hand picked, cast, done up and very well lit.
owow123 4y ago
The market gets what the market wants. Unless you believe there's some sinister cabal out there conspiring to hurt 18-25 years with porn, you'll just have to accept what's out there is what people pay to see. The big hardcore porn scenes aren't cheap they are deliberate and calculated. > depicts unrealistic sex between adults Doesn't depict the kind of sex you like to watch or partake in but "Middle America" isn't the only view point (no offence if your not American). There's plenty of bars / clubs / spaces / apps for "kinksters" and the more adventurous. "kink" came before porn and will exist long after it. Its unfortunate hardcore porn rises to the homepage of these porn sites but its simple economics "ew that's gross, lemme just click it real quick" and there's the advertising space sold - its just "the algorithm" at it again. Maybe you should make an account and let "the algorithm" do its thing.
- ratchetbob 4y ago
  well the problem is censorship from Visa is distorting the market. i.e., many people like amateur porn but this makes amateur porn have a higher barrier.
- labrador 4y ago
  I have never paid for porn because there is so much free stuff, so I can only speak to the free stuff. I'm talking about widely available free porn that is supported with advertising. I hear it's softer than the paid stuff.
- jwond 4y ago
  > Unless you believe there's some sinister cabal out there conspiring to hurt 18-25 years with porn, you'll just have to accept what's out there is what people pay to see. I don’t think porn companies are necessarily trying to harm people in the same way I don’t think social media companies, casinos, drug dealers, etc. are necessarily trying to harm people. They are trying to make money, and they don’t care too much if they cause harm in doing so.
- sidlls 4y ago
  The difference being mainly that these clubs, bars and magazines are all analog and, prior to the wide availability of porn on the internet, were not something the vast majority of people were exposed to. Kinks have existed since sex started. But that doesn’t mean they were (or are) “normal”. “Normal” isn’t meant to be derogatory as I use it: it’s just shorthand for what the 1-sigma group in the distribution considers “typical”
pessimizer 4y ago
This is an eternal contradiction in US attitudes towards porn. Porn was condemned by mainstream consensus in the 80s/90s for creating unrealistic and strange (plastic) bodily standards, but the companies that were closest to the mainstream and in every hotel PPV were Vivid and Wicked, who were the pinnacle of that slick plastic style. The farther you got away from them, the more natural people looked and behaved. edit: even now, the places where extreme bodily exaggerations, distortions, and surgical interventions dominate are very vanilla and mainstream, like instagram and twitter, or even softcore/non-nude.
seydor 4y ago
It's not even about porn. Nudist websites now also require real ID verification for their members. I can see this extended to fitness websites soon.

wollsmoth 4y ago

Studio shot material is definitely a bit more exaggerated and more selective with their performers. However, I don't really have the impression that amateur shot stuff is "showing wholesome normal sex". Some studios do produce more realistic video but in my experience the amateur stuff is just worse lit and self shot. Still usually made by someone just trying to get a few quick bucks.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
I think the OPs point was that teenagers could start considering this the 'normal'. Personally I give them a little more credit. But it is a good point.
- wollsmoth 4y ago
  Yeah. It's hard to control what teens see and what their interpretation is. I don't know if there are really great examples of what healthy sex lives should be like. Everything is just extremely graphic and widely available.
- sidlls 4y ago
  I don’t agree, based on at least my personal experience. My wife and I (40s) don’t engage in even a fraction of the acts I see commonly in porn. My bf (mid-20s) and I, on the other hand regularly do. He sees these acts as normal and expected. She definitely does not, and neither do I. Anecdotes aren’t data, to be sure, but my bf’s friend group has a similarly completely different view of what is “normal” with respect to sexual activity, and the same is true for others of similar age I’ve been involved with. I’m convinced porn definitely shapes the view of normal.
  - dTal 4y ago
    Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but your observations are fully explainable by porn following trends; no causal direction can be established from them.
    - sidlls 4y ago
      You have a point, but I don’t think I agree. The mid-20s group get the majority of their education about what to do for sex from porn as much as if not more than from their sex partners. They didn’t set the trends for porn that is watched today, unless they started influencing the market when they were pre-pubescent.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Interesting, but it doesn't sound like a 'problem' per se. As long as people don't do these things against their wishes. It's not a bad thing if people broaden their sexual horizons IMO (though some of the sexual acts in porn are a bit gratuitous). But I strongly believe what consenting adults do in the bedroom is their business and nobody else's. And it does sound like it's definitely a subset of the more mainstream porn that he's practicing, after all the more extreme things often require more people. Like the other poster I also wonder whether this is a result of influencing from porn or that porn is influenced by changing behaviour. After all, porn wouldn't be made if people didn't like it.
labrador 4y ago
All I'm saying is that amateurs are going to have amateur sex so it's closer to the norm than pro sex and probably better for teens to watch and it's too bad that a lot of it will be gone, leaving mostly pro stuff. I understand the motivation: let's reduce the trafficking of women and revenge porn, but I'm not sure we're going about it in a good way.
- listless 4y ago
  I think the main problem with studio work is that it sets highly unrealistic expectations for what a woman’s body looks like. It’s professionally groomed and unnatural and girls cannot possibly meet the same standard on any given Tuesday. Neither can guys but I feel like the expectations for guys are generally much lower anyway.
  - labrador 4y ago
    Except for the large member, which I've heard intimidates the less endowed.
    - techdragon 4y ago
      If I’ve remembered the relevant studies about average penis length correctly, self reported penis length averages to a value between one and two inches longer than clinically measured lengths average to depending on which studies you pick. Which is definitely indicative of that endowment anxiety as a widespread issue.
  - wollsmoth 4y ago
    That's true, but I think it's also true of most movies and tv. Any group of people you see have been hand picked, cast, done up and very well lit.

owow123 4y ago

The market gets what the market wants. Unless you believe there's some sinister cabal out there conspiring to hurt 18-25 years with porn, you'll just have to accept what's out there is what people pay to see. The big hardcore porn scenes aren't cheap they are deliberate and calculated. > depicts unrealistic sex between adults Doesn't depict the kind of sex you like to watch or partake in but "Middle America" isn't the only view point (no offence if your not American). There's plenty of bars / clubs / spaces / apps for "kinksters" and the more adventurous. "kink" came before porn and will exist long after it. Its unfortunate hardcore porn rises to the homepage of these porn sites but its simple economics "ew that's gross, lemme just click it real quick" and there's the advertising space sold - its just "the algorithm" at it again. Maybe you should make an account and let "the algorithm" do its thing.

ratchetbob 4y ago
well the problem is censorship from Visa is distorting the market. i.e., many people like amateur porn but this makes amateur porn have a higher barrier.
labrador 4y ago
I have never paid for porn because there is so much free stuff, so I can only speak to the free stuff. I'm talking about widely available free porn that is supported with advertising. I hear it's softer than the paid stuff.
jwond 4y ago
> Unless you believe there's some sinister cabal out there conspiring to hurt 18-25 years with porn, you'll just have to accept what's out there is what people pay to see. I don’t think porn companies are necessarily trying to harm people in the same way I don’t think social media companies, casinos, drug dealers, etc. are necessarily trying to harm people. They are trying to make money, and they don’t care too much if they cause harm in doing so.
sidlls 4y ago
The difference being mainly that these clubs, bars and magazines are all analog and, prior to the wide availability of porn on the internet, were not something the vast majority of people were exposed to. Kinks have existed since sex started. But that doesn’t mean they were (or are) “normal”. “Normal” isn’t meant to be derogatory as I use it: it’s just shorthand for what the 1-sigma group in the distribution considers “typical”

pessimizer 4y ago

This is an eternal contradiction in US attitudes towards porn. Porn was condemned by mainstream consensus in the 80s/90s for creating unrealistic and strange (plastic) bodily standards, but the companies that were closest to the mainstream and in every hotel PPV were Vivid and Wicked, who were the pinnacle of that slick plastic style. The farther you got away from them, the more natural people looked and behaved. edit: even now, the places where extreme bodily exaggerations, distortions, and surgical interventions dominate are very vanilla and mainstream, like instagram and twitter, or even softcore/non-nude.

seydor 4y ago

It's not even about porn. Nudist websites now also require real ID verification for their members. I can see this extended to fitness websites soon.