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> I don't know why you're bringing Germany specifically into this (misdirection? deception?) Neither, here's why: > Germany shut down three of its six nuclear

> I don't know why you're bringing Germany specifically into this (misdirection? deception?) Neither, here's why: > Germany shut down three of its six nuclear power stations last year [i.e. 2021] and is due to close the remaining trio by the end of 2022. Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/gas-crisis-germany-nuclear-power-debate/#:~:text=Germany%20shut%20down%20three%20of,accident%20at%20Japan's%20Fukushima%20plant https://www.politico.eu/article/gas-crisis-germany-nuclear-p....

onethought 4y ago
Germany is indicative of the world? I don’t think so. This is a dishonest angle. More recently Germany has removed the 2022 deadline for the remaining 3 and is considering reversing the whole decision.
- erichocean 4y ago
  > Germany is indicative of the world? California is also set to shut down their final remaining nuclear power plant. Source: https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/06/california-nuclear-power-pge-diablo-canyon/ https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/06/california-nuclea...
  - onethought 4y ago
    Oh I stand corrected! Germany AND California. That’s 1.7% of the worlds population, which is definitely a solid representation of the world. Just as an aside, there is this little known country: China, it has 47 active nuclear power plants with ~10 more under construction and 15-20 more in the planning stage. But maybe they haven’t heard about Germany and California!
MichaelCollins 4y ago
That's simply not relevant. Exclude nuclear from my above comment, consider only solar and it makes no difference. Using any kind of electricity, solar or otherwise, to split water to get hydrogen is not competitive with steam reforming of hydrocarbons and it certainly isn't competitive with batteries. The most economically efficient way to get hydrogen is to get it from hydrocarbons, and even that is not competitive with batteries. Getting hydrogen by splitting water: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hydrogen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hydrogen > Green hydrogen produced by the electrolysis of water is less than 0.1% of total hydrogen production. This is not the way it's done, and it's not because we don't have enough solar panels. It's because electrolysis sucks. Hypothesize a country where 100% of the grid is run off solar if you want to, "green hydrogen" is still dead on arrival.

onethought 4y ago

Germany is indicative of the world? I don’t think so. This is a dishonest angle. More recently Germany has removed the 2022 deadline for the remaining 3 and is considering reversing the whole decision.

erichocean 4y ago
> Germany is indicative of the world? California is also set to shut down their final remaining nuclear power plant. Source: https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/06/california-nuclear-power-pge-diablo-canyon/ https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/06/california-nuclea...
- onethought 4y ago
  Oh I stand corrected! Germany AND California. That’s 1.7% of the worlds population, which is definitely a solid representation of the world. Just as an aside, there is this little known country: China, it has 47 active nuclear power plants with ~10 more under construction and 15-20 more in the planning stage. But maybe they haven’t heard about Germany and California!

MichaelCollins 4y ago

That's simply not relevant. Exclude nuclear from my above comment, consider only solar and it makes no difference. Using any kind of electricity, solar or otherwise, to split water to get hydrogen is not competitive with steam reforming of hydrocarbons and it certainly isn't competitive with batteries. The most economically efficient way to get hydrogen is to get it from hydrocarbons, and even that is not competitive with batteries. Getting hydrogen by splitting water: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hydrogen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hydrogen > Green hydrogen produced by the electrolysis of water is less than 0.1% of total hydrogen production. This is not the way it's done, and it's not because we don't have enough solar panels. It's because electrolysis sucks. Hypothesize a country where 100% of the grid is run off solar if you want to, "green hydrogen" is still dead on arrival.