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> What about not adding even more ways how we should avoid using C? That's a mute point for C's target audience because they already understand that they need

> What about not adding even more ways how we should avoid using C? That's a mute point for C's target audience because they already understand that they need to be mindful of what the language does.

pjmlp 4y ago
That is like saying if sushi knifes are already sharp enough, there is no issue cutting fish with a samurai sword instead, except at least with the knife maybe the damage isn't as bad.
- Koshkin 4y ago
  I like your comparison of a C programmer with a samurai.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Including that most of them end up doing Seppuku on their applications.
    - agumonkey 4y ago
      while we're hugging them from behind
  - phibz 4y ago
    It's more like the C programmer is a sushi master. They can make a delicious, beautifully crafted snack. But if the wrong ingredients are used you'll get very sick.
- samatman 4y ago
  The difference between the largest sushi knives and a katana is more about who wields them than the blade involved.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    One ends up cutting quite a few pieces either way.
  - naasking 4y ago
    When you really need a samurai, nothing less will do. Arguably most of us need sushi chefs these days.
- arinlen 4y ago
  > That is like saying if sushi knifes are already sharp enough (...) No, it's like saying that professional people understand the need to learn what their tools of the trade do beyond random stackoverflow search on how to print text to stdout. It seems you have an irrational dislike of C. That's perfectly ok. No need to come up with excuses though.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    It doesn't seem, I do. Ever since I got my hands on Turbo C++ 1.0, back in 1993, I see no reason why one should downgrade ourselves to C. At least C++ give us the tools to be a bit more secure, even if tainted with C's copy-paste compatibility. You will find posts from me on Usenet, stading on C++ frontline of C vs C++ flamewars. No one is making excuses, it should be nuked, unfortunely it will outlive all of us.
mjcohen 4y ago
What the heck. It's "moot", not "mute".
- wizofaus 4y ago
  I'm curious, are there accents in which those two words are homophones? Given the US tendency to pronounce new/due/tune as noo/doo/toon I can imagine some might say mute as moot but I can't find anything authoritative online.
  - danuker 4y ago
    They are not perfect homophones. There is a slight i (IPA j) in "mute". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mute https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mute https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot
  - jcranmer 4y ago
    According to Wikipedia, East Anglia does universal yod-dropping, so mute/moot would be homophonic. (See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_dialect-dependent_homophones#Yod-dropping_and_coalescence https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_dialect-depe...). Personally, I haven't come across anyone who pronounces 'mute' without the /j/.

> What about not adding even more ways how we should avoid using C? That's a mute point for C's target audience because they already understand that they need to be mindful of what the language does.

pjmlp 4y ago

That is like saying if sushi knifes are already sharp enough, there is no issue cutting fish with a samurai sword instead, except at least with the knife maybe the damage isn't as bad.

Koshkin 4y ago
I like your comparison of a C programmer with a samurai.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Including that most of them end up doing Seppuku on their applications.
  - agumonkey 4y ago
    while we're hugging them from behind
- phibz 4y ago
  It's more like the C programmer is a sushi master. They can make a delicious, beautifully crafted snack. But if the wrong ingredients are used you'll get very sick.
samatman 4y ago
The difference between the largest sushi knives and a katana is more about who wields them than the blade involved.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  One ends up cutting quite a few pieces either way.
- naasking 4y ago
  When you really need a samurai, nothing less will do. Arguably most of us need sushi chefs these days.
arinlen 4y ago
> That is like saying if sushi knifes are already sharp enough (...) No, it's like saying that professional people understand the need to learn what their tools of the trade do beyond random stackoverflow search on how to print text to stdout. It seems you have an irrational dislike of C. That's perfectly ok. No need to come up with excuses though.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  It doesn't seem, I do. Ever since I got my hands on Turbo C++ 1.0, back in 1993, I see no reason why one should downgrade ourselves to C. At least C++ give us the tools to be a bit more secure, even if tainted with C's copy-paste compatibility. You will find posts from me on Usenet, stading on C++ frontline of C vs C++ flamewars. No one is making excuses, it should be nuked, unfortunely it will outlive all of us.

mjcohen 4y ago

What the heck. It's "moot", not "mute".

wizofaus 4y ago
I'm curious, are there accents in which those two words are homophones? Given the US tendency to pronounce new/due/tune as noo/doo/toon I can imagine some might say mute as moot but I can't find anything authoritative online.
- danuker 4y ago
  They are not perfect homophones. There is a slight i (IPA j) in "mute". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mute https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mute https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot
- jcranmer 4y ago
  According to Wikipedia, East Anglia does universal yod-dropping, so mute/moot would be homophonic. (See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_dialect-dependent_homophones#Yod-dropping_and_coalescence https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_dialect-depe...). Personally, I haven't come across anyone who pronounces 'mute' without the /j/.