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> I think we have to weigh our sacrifices against the impact....we will bear the cost of that ban...* I feel like part of the point of the "Ban Private Jets" m

> I think we have to weigh our sacrifices against the impact....we will bear the cost of that ban...* I feel like part of the point of the "Ban Private Jets" movement is that the "sacrifices" and "cost" side of the equation are pretty dang low (particularly for the vast majority of folks that cannot fly private). Even for those that can fly private, the point is that other valid alternatives exist. Banning private jets makes even more sense to me since it seems reasonably simple to regulate and enforce (given the already strict regulations around aircraft). The super-rich can always find a loophole, but this seems like an area where regulating the supply stands a good chance of driving the demand towards more climate-friendly options...

sokoloff 4y ago
There aren’t directly substitute near equivalents for private aviation. It’s common to be able to make 6 site visits in 2 days and 1 overnight. Or fly parts from a tier 1/2 supplier to avoid a factory line shutdown. Sure, you could make 6 site visits across a week and a half using commercial airlines, or accept a four-shift shutdown because of a parts supply issue while the parts are trucked in. To me, those aren’t really “valid alternatives” in the most meaningful sense of that phrase.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  I see quite many solutions. Delegation, that is someone local do the site visits. Or maybe some VR/AR remote presence. And for parts maybe this supply chain crunch have proven that we should stock more stuff locally... So replacement would be ready near enough.
- tomatotomato37 4y ago
  You don't need a luxury jet to transfer parts around, a cheap learjet with a military style barebones interior leased to a corporation won't break the spirit of this law. It's the elite getting shuttled around the planet to a Paris shopping trips before their closing the evening at a luxury restaurant in Toyko for absolutely no productive reason that's the issue. Hell, you could even still allow hobbyists where the owner is required to be the pilot and that would still solve the primary problem
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    The proposal as I read it was to ban private jets, not to ban luxury-cabin private jets. These parts are being flown on old, ugly Lear jets right now. Those are private jets.

sokoloff 4y ago

There aren’t directly substitute near equivalents for private aviation. It’s common to be able to make 6 site visits in 2 days and 1 overnight. Or fly parts from a tier 1/2 supplier to avoid a factory line shutdown. Sure, you could make 6 site visits across a week and a half using commercial airlines, or accept a four-shift shutdown because of a parts supply issue while the parts are trucked in. To me, those aren’t really “valid alternatives” in the most meaningful sense of that phrase.

Ekaros 4y ago
I see quite many solutions. Delegation, that is someone local do the site visits. Or maybe some VR/AR remote presence. And for parts maybe this supply chain crunch have proven that we should stock more stuff locally... So replacement would be ready near enough.
tomatotomato37 4y ago
You don't need a luxury jet to transfer parts around, a cheap learjet with a military style barebones interior leased to a corporation won't break the spirit of this law. It's the elite getting shuttled around the planet to a Paris shopping trips before their closing the evening at a luxury restaurant in Toyko for absolutely no productive reason that's the issue. Hell, you could even still allow hobbyists where the owner is required to be the pilot and that would still solve the primary problem
- sokoloff 4y ago
  The proposal as I read it was to ban private jets, not to ban luxury-cabin private jets. These parts are being flown on old, ugly Lear jets right now. Those are private jets.