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They aren't benevolent but there is such a thing as a mutually beneficial relationship. I'm fine with people making money off advertisement as long as they aren

They aren't benevolent but there is such a thing as a mutually beneficial relationship. I'm fine with people making money off advertisement as long as they aren't selling my data directly and the number of companies I trust to do that is very low. In a lot of ways targeted ads and the like can be beneficial, it's about connecting people selling something the the people who want/need that thing, the problem is when data companies can just hoover up or buy that data and do gross things with it.

bee_rider 4y ago
I don't trust any company to do it because: * Even the competent companies have data leaks. * Even the competent companies will give it up if their government comes knocking. * Even a company which is relatively ethical now might someday be taken over by nickle-and-dime management.
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- LadyCailin 4y ago
  That's fine, but then you shouldn't give your info to apple at all. Or google, or facebook, or microsoft, or amazon, or ycombinator, for that matter. The fact is, unless you want to be a luddite (which you aren't, you're here, with an account, at least) then you have to trust at least some of these companies. So the question is, which ones can generally be trusted, and which can't? I personally trust apple more than facebook, ycombinator more than amazon, etc. Your ordering might be different, and that's fine, but you're drawing a bright line there, which only hurts yourself.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > So the question is, which ones can generally be trusted, and which can't? Let's see... pretty much any of the companies listed as PRISM-compliant back during the Snowden leaks? It's fun to be pedantic about security, but Facebook and Apple both phone home to the NSA at the end of the day. Quibbling about these differences is a zero-sum game, since FAANG's lowest common denominator is total surveillance.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    Not sure if you're aware, but this is the classic tu quoque fallacy on display.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I don't think we need to trust these entities in order to interact with them. Unfortunately some information has to be leaked to engage with modern society, it is just a matter of trying to minimize it to the extent possible. It isn't trust, it is an exchange.
LtWorf 4y ago
Companies need to increase revenue, so even if they don't do it right now there is no guarantee they will not.

bee_rider 4y ago

I don't trust any company to do it because: * Even the competent companies have data leaks. * Even the competent companies will give it up if their government comes knocking. * Even a company which is relatively ethical now might someday be taken over by nickle-and-dime management.

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LadyCailin 4y ago
That's fine, but then you shouldn't give your info to apple at all. Or google, or facebook, or microsoft, or amazon, or ycombinator, for that matter. The fact is, unless you want to be a luddite (which you aren't, you're here, with an account, at least) then you have to trust at least some of these companies. So the question is, which ones can generally be trusted, and which can't? I personally trust apple more than facebook, ycombinator more than amazon, etc. Your ordering might be different, and that's fine, but you're drawing a bright line there, which only hurts yourself.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > So the question is, which ones can generally be trusted, and which can't? Let's see... pretty much any of the companies listed as PRISM-compliant back during the Snowden leaks? It's fun to be pedantic about security, but Facebook and Apple both phone home to the NSA at the end of the day. Quibbling about these differences is a zero-sum game, since FAANG's lowest common denominator is total surveillance.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Not sure if you're aware, but this is the classic tu quoque fallacy on display.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  I don't think we need to trust these entities in order to interact with them. Unfortunately some information has to be leaked to engage with modern society, it is just a matter of trying to minimize it to the extent possible. It isn't trust, it is an exchange.

LtWorf 4y ago

Companies need to increase revenue, so even if they don't do it right now there is no guarantee they will not.