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It actually depends. I'm an emacs user and C-h will select the current 'paragraph', repeated C-h will select the next one down, repeatedly. Moving by paragraphs

It actually depends. I'm an emacs user and C-h will select the current 'paragraph', repeated C-h will select the next one down, repeatedly. Moving by paragraphs can be very quick. If you want that, it's almost instant. Also C-u allows multiples of whatever you want. I can move say, 19 lines up with C-u C-u C-p C-u C-p C-n (move up 16 lines, move up 4 lines, move down one line) and it can be quicker than you'd think - there is a cost of moving your hand to and from the mouse/trackball. If you know it's 19 lines exactly, C-u 1 9 C-p. It can be quicker, depending. For precise selection down to the character where gross markers aren't present, yeah, I deffo go with the mouse. I'm agreeing with you here, just adding a perspective.

dmitriid 4y ago
> Also C-u allows multiples of whatever you want. I can move say, 19 lines up with C-u C-u C-p C-u C-p C-n (move up 16 lines, move up 4 lines, move down one line) Or, you know, one click with the mouse. Because sane people don't count lines and characters.
- zasdffaa 4y ago
  Dick comment. I'm talking from experience that keyboard is sometimes faster, and I actually say (clearly you didn't read to the 4th para) that a mouse is better in other cases. Try reading an entire post before responding.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    I was responding to a specific example you chose. You could've chosen a different one. And yet here we are, counting lines and doing math and pretending it "can be faster than a mouse". For imprecise text scrolling a regular PageUp/PageDown will be faster than calculating the number of lines you need to go up/down. For precise random access nothing beats the mouse. Unless you're in a structured text your editor understands. But then, again, there's no mouse/keyboard dichotomy.
    - zasdffaa 4y ago
      > and pretending it "can be faster than a mouse". Jesus. I use mouse and keyboard as what's best for the task of that moment. In some cases it's a faster to do some complex things using a keyboard, at others, I pick the mouse. Depends on what I'm doing, how well the emacs commands fit that task, how tired I am etc. I'm talking from many years experience. Get a couple of years solid emacs under your belt then we can talk because evidently you have little to none. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6h1geu/is_the_keyboard_faster_than_the_mouse/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6h1geu/is_the_... linked to https://danluu.com/keyboard-v-mouse/ https://danluu.com/keyboard-v-mouse/
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        > Jesus. I use mouse and keyboard as what's best for the task of that moment. In some cases it's a faster to do some complex things using a keyboard Yes. In some cases. Not in the bizarre "let's do arithmetic to figure out how to jump to a line", which is exactly what I was responding to. No idea what got you so worked up. > Get a couple of years solid emacs under your belt then we can talk because evidently you have little to none. Ah. The person accusing me of dickish comments goes for the jugular and devolves into personal attacks. I had two years with emacs. In the end I was very unimpressed, and switched to, drum roll, IDEA. That I use primarily from keyboard, by the way.

dmitriid 4y ago

> Also C-u allows multiples of whatever you want. I can move say, 19 lines up with C-u C-u C-p C-u C-p C-n (move up 16 lines, move up 4 lines, move down one line) Or, you know, one click with the mouse. Because sane people don't count lines and characters.

zasdffaa 4y ago
Dick comment. I'm talking from experience that keyboard is sometimes faster, and I actually say (clearly you didn't read to the 4th para) that a mouse is better in other cases. Try reading an entire post before responding.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  I was responding to a specific example you chose. You could've chosen a different one. And yet here we are, counting lines and doing math and pretending it "can be faster than a mouse". For imprecise text scrolling a regular PageUp/PageDown will be faster than calculating the number of lines you need to go up/down. For precise random access nothing beats the mouse. Unless you're in a structured text your editor understands. But then, again, there's no mouse/keyboard dichotomy.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    > and pretending it "can be faster than a mouse". Jesus. I use mouse and keyboard as what's best for the task of that moment. In some cases it's a faster to do some complex things using a keyboard, at others, I pick the mouse. Depends on what I'm doing, how well the emacs commands fit that task, how tired I am etc. I'm talking from many years experience. Get a couple of years solid emacs under your belt then we can talk because evidently you have little to none. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6h1geu/is_the_keyboard_faster_than_the_mouse/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6h1geu/is_the_... linked to https://danluu.com/keyboard-v-mouse/ https://danluu.com/keyboard-v-mouse/
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > Jesus. I use mouse and keyboard as what's best for the task of that moment. In some cases it's a faster to do some complex things using a keyboard Yes. In some cases. Not in the bizarre "let's do arithmetic to figure out how to jump to a line", which is exactly what I was responding to. No idea what got you so worked up. > Get a couple of years solid emacs under your belt then we can talk because evidently you have little to none. Ah. The person accusing me of dickish comments goes for the jugular and devolves into personal attacks. I had two years with emacs. In the end I was very unimpressed, and switched to, drum roll, IDEA. That I use primarily from keyboard, by the way.