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It still wasn't written with -ci though, which also seems to me a medieval innovation (in French, it was written as Lutece). I think they either should accept

• Grustaf 4y ago
  Sure, I'm not defending "Lvteci", no idea what that is supposed to be, but I'm vehemently against using "u" and "j" for Classical Latin, it hurts my eyes. I wish those letters were never invented at all!
  • demetrius 4y ago
    > it hurts my eyes Looks like almost all Latin texts hurt your eyes, then.
    • Grustaf 4y ago
      No, why? I only read monumental inscriptions, that's where Latin shines. For everything else give me Greek or nothing.
      • demetrius 4y ago
        > I only read monumental inscriptions, that's where Latin shines Even with monumental inscriptions, you'd need to carefully filter them to make sure you only read old ones. The newer ones frequently include U, e.g. I like this little poem in a park in Coimbra: http://bloguinho.casa/img/2017/01/nemus-litterae-old.jpg http://bloguinho.casa/img/2017/01/nemus-litterae-old.jpg (the park also includes more poems, which is pretty cool). Too bad we don't have such Latin poems in Porto, where I live now.
        • Grustaf 4y ago
          Yeah being pedantic is hard work, but it’s worth it. Btw “demetrius”, my other pet peeve is Latin endings on Greek words and names. I’m actually going to Porto next month, good to know I will be safe from bastardized Latin!
          • demetrius 4y ago
            > Btw “demetrius”, my other pet peeve is Latin endings on Greek words and names. You seem to choose pet peeves that are opposite to mine! I don't like Greek word declinations in Latin (why write Leopolin if you can write Leopolim?) and I like the i/j, v/u distinction in Latin. > good to know I will be safe from bastardized Latin! You should stay away from the house 1255 on rua de Constituição, then (it has this: https://imageup.ru/img91/3990079/porto.jpg https://imageup.ru/img91/3990079/porto.jpg — although it's the only text in Latin I've seen here so far)
            • Grustaf 4y ago
              Yes, I'm very partial to Greek, I studied it before Latin, and for much longer. My hellenophilia is especially strong now when I happen to be in Greece. Leopolim? As in the accusative form of Lvov? Feel free to send me more tips to the email in my profile!
• demetrius 4y ago
  > they either should accept the original Roman spelling of Lvtetia Lvtetia is not "the original Roman spelling". The original Roman cursive spelling is: https://imageup.ru/img224/3989875/roman-coursive-example.png https://imageup.ru/img224/3989875/roman-coursive-example.png The original Roman square capitals variant is like this: LV́TÉTIA (too lazy to make an image; I hope you have a serif typeface, it's closer enough) The cursive eventually evolved into "lutetia" The square capitals eventually into "LVTETIA" Later, people decided to use both versions together, using letters like L, V, T, E in the beginning of sentences and names; and letters like l, u, t, e elsewhere. What happened in mediaeval times is that people decided added lowercase v and uppercase U. So, Lvtetia is ahistorical: it should be Lutetia or LVTETIA or lutetia, since lowercase v is a later invention. (Similar thing happened when Turkish people devised their Latin script: they divided I/i into I/ı and İ/i. Using Lvtetia is like using Lvtetıa, because Romans didn't put dots over their I's.) > (edit: that said, when I search for "lugd" I do get search results for LVGDVNO, so maybe the search got improved?) Yes, I think it has been improved. Thanks!
  • Grustaf 4y ago
    > original Roman cursive spelling This I think indicates that you misunderstand what "spelling" means. Casing is unrelated to spelling. "Lvtetia" and "LVTETIA", and indeed "lUtETia" are using the same spelling. > Later, people decided to use both versions together, using letters like L, V, T, E in the beginning of sentences and names; and letters like l, u, t, e elsewhere. This only happened much later, and does not concern Classical Latin.