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Ehm... Sorry to break it to you, but people who think they were born the wrong sex are increasingly treated with hormones before the onset of puberty (with pube

Ehm... Sorry to break it to you, but people who think they were born the wrong sex are increasingly treated with hormones before the onset of puberty (with puberty-delaying treatments it's kind of the point). Not arguing whether it's good or bad, but by definition they are children at that point in time.

magicalist 4y ago
You can take them at the onset of puberty, at which point you are an adolescent by definition, which is that the GP said.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  I'm not saying what you can do or not, I just see evidence (a quick google away) that people are given meds to delay puberty, meaning before its start (= onset), meaning they are not yet adolescents by definition. Edit to everyone pointing out a technicality: yes, puberty blockers != hormone replacement therapy. However, puberty blockers ⊆ hormone replacement therapy.
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    "Delaying" Not really the right word to use IMO, as the body wont go through proper puberty after stopping the blockers.
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      No. Puberty blockers have been prescribed for early onset puberty for over 30 years. Puberty proceeds the same basically unless they take cross sex hormones.
      - Akronymus 4y ago
        Thars a very different usage than the one I am talking about. I am talking about using it on transgemder individuals to block normal puberty, until after it wouldve been over normally.
        pseudalopex 4y ago
        It's rare for someone taking puberty blockers to be undecided still when puberty would be over. How old is too old? What would be not proper? Where did you get this information?
        throwaway290 4y ago
        Would starting hormonal replacement therapy (by way of puberty blockers) on its own already influence one's decision on what their preferred sex should be? That is, assuming our consciousness is influenced by chemistry in our bodies.
        pseudalopex 4y ago
        Puberty blockers don't change gender identity in early onset puberty. Even removing sex organs doesn't change gender identity. David Reimer was castrated very young and raised as a girl. It didn't work. Similar treatments have been forced on intersex children. Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition. Maybe it proves diagnostic criteria, professional advice, social factors, or other things keep people who wouldn't transition off puberty blockers.
        dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition These people do not address that: - People with gender dysphoria are disproportionately likely (though somewhat less than those who do take puberty blockers) to choose to transition without having taken puberty blockers, too, and - People with gender dysphoria who take puberty blockers have a reduced incidence of suicidality. The best explanation is that: (1) Gender dysphoria, not puberty blockers, predicts future likelihood of choosing transition, and (2) Within the group with dysphoria, future likelihood of choosing transition is also correlated with risk of suicidality without puberty blockers, such that withholding puberty blockers reduces the future transition rate by disproportionately killing those most likely to transition later.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    > Edit to everyone pointing out a technicality: yes, puberty blockers != hormone replacement therapy. However, puberty blockers ⊆ hormone replacement therapy. Not commonly. And the difference between delaying puberty and inducing puberty is more than a technicality.
pseudalopex 4y ago
Puberty blockers are hormone agonists. Not hormones.
- Mo3 4y ago
  Ah, well that it sure does make it better.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    Hormones in this context means sex hormones. Delaying puberty is more conservative than inducing puberty. It isn't better to you?
Elinvynia 4y ago
Puberty blockers != Hormone replacement therapy

magicalist 4y ago

You can take them at the onset of puberty, at which point you are an adolescent by definition, which is that the GP said.

throwaway290 4y ago
I'm not saying what you can do or not, I just see evidence (a quick google away) that people are given meds to delay puberty, meaning before its start (= onset), meaning they are not yet adolescents by definition. Edit to everyone pointing out a technicality: yes, puberty blockers != hormone replacement therapy. However, puberty blockers ⊆ hormone replacement therapy.
- Akronymus 4y ago
  "Delaying" Not really the right word to use IMO, as the body wont go through proper puberty after stopping the blockers.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    No. Puberty blockers have been prescribed for early onset puberty for over 30 years. Puberty proceeds the same basically unless they take cross sex hormones.
    - Akronymus 4y ago
      Thars a very different usage than the one I am talking about. I am talking about using it on transgemder individuals to block normal puberty, until after it wouldve been over normally.
      - pseudalopex 4y ago
        It's rare for someone taking puberty blockers to be undecided still when puberty would be over. How old is too old? What would be not proper? Where did you get this information?
        throwaway290 4y ago
        Would starting hormonal replacement therapy (by way of puberty blockers) on its own already influence one's decision on what their preferred sex should be? That is, assuming our consciousness is influenced by chemistry in our bodies.
        pseudalopex 4y ago
        Puberty blockers don't change gender identity in early onset puberty. Even removing sex organs doesn't change gender identity. David Reimer was castrated very young and raised as a girl. It didn't work. Similar treatments have been forced on intersex children. Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition. Maybe it proves diagnostic criteria, professional advice, social factors, or other things keep people who wouldn't transition off puberty blockers.
        dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Some people say so many gender dysphoria patients taking puberty blockers choosing to transition proves puberty blockers make them want to transition These people do not address that: - People with gender dysphoria are disproportionately likely (though somewhat less than those who do take puberty blockers) to choose to transition without having taken puberty blockers, too, and - People with gender dysphoria who take puberty blockers have a reduced incidence of suicidality. The best explanation is that: (1) Gender dysphoria, not puberty blockers, predicts future likelihood of choosing transition, and (2) Within the group with dysphoria, future likelihood of choosing transition is also correlated with risk of suicidality without puberty blockers, such that withholding puberty blockers reduces the future transition rate by disproportionately killing those most likely to transition later.
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  > Edit to everyone pointing out a technicality: yes, puberty blockers != hormone replacement therapy. However, puberty blockers ⊆ hormone replacement therapy. Not commonly. And the difference between delaying puberty and inducing puberty is more than a technicality.

pseudalopex 4y ago

Puberty blockers are hormone agonists. Not hormones.

Mo3 4y ago
Ah, well that it sure does make it better.
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  Hormones in this context means sex hormones. Delaying puberty is more conservative than inducing puberty. It isn't better to you?

Elinvynia 4y ago

Puberty blockers != Hormone replacement therapy