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The apps will come and they will be better designed. I do not know if anybody here has tried the Microsoft developer tools but they are more advanced than anyt

The apps will come and they will be better designed. I do not know if anybody here has tried the Microsoft developer tools but they are more advanced than anything even Apple has. Expression Blend for example is something Android developers need badly. I hope that with Adobe letting go of Flex that Google is going to poach a lot of their IDE team like they did with Chet Haase. What they are missing was a more open API and a more in your face marketing attitude. Nokia will bring that to the table. Microsoft has deep pockets and they need to be in mobile to stay relevant (even if they earn more money suing Android manufacturers). You next phone will be a Windows Phone.

saturdaysaint 15y ago
Microsoft has deep pockets and they need to be in mobile to stay relevant (even if they earn more money suing Android manufacturers). This isn't an argument when their competition has deeper pockets...
- funkydata 15y ago
  lol! True. I meant that they won't throw in the towel like HP did with WebOS devices. Even if the sales of the devices do not take off, they still can force manufacturers to produce Windows Phone devices, I am quite certain that the manufacturers they threatened to sue in the "Android maneuver" got a better deal if they accepted to produce Windows Phone handsets in the future. My tuppence worth.
polyfractal 15y ago
I have a love-hate relationship with WP7 development. On one hand, we have Visual Studio, a built in phone emulator, the .Net platform and excellent documentation/tutorials. It's almost stupid how easily you can create fairly advanced "form based" applications with WPF. Games are fairly straightforward with XNA. The build in emulator works with VS like a dream, dropping in and out of breakpoints, etc. I could gush all day about the development environment. However, App Hub (the place to actually publish your app) is an absolute nightmare. Built entirely in Silverlight, it is buggy, clunky and unintuitive. There is basically zero documentation, descriptions are vague or just wrong. Stats about your app are at least a week delayed and are not detailed. You can only see reviews for your app in your local market (e.g. US market). My app has a few reviews from England, but I have to use a third party tool to view them. I could rant all day about App Hub.
- barend 15y ago
  The app hub problems you describe are fixable. Did you relay your issues to Microsoft?
  - polyfractal 15y ago
    I have and so have a lot of other developers. To be fair, they did a major overhaul of the App Hub just prior to Mango which corrected a number of other issues. It just seems to take them a long time to correct what should be obvious issues or usability problems.
- zwigby 15y ago
  From my experience with iPhone and iTunes connect (also not a great application) I don't spend a lot of time in iTunes Connect. Are you spending a lot of time in the App Hub? What I'm getting at is that this sounds like a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme.
  - polyfractal 15y ago
    Oh, I agree entirely. The benefits of the excellent development environment completely overshadow the poor App Hub experience. And once you're at the point where you are submitting an app, you are already committed. The poor experience won't stop you from submitting, and probably won't stop you from developing another app.
spanktheuser 15y ago
> You next phone will be a Windows Phone. I'm not so sanguine. First Mover Advantage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage) is a very real effect across many industries. In fact, the some of the patterns in the wikipedia entry have already been seen in the smartphone market (pre-emption of scarce resources, free rider effects). And we don't have to look too far back in history to find an example of an OS with a superior UI (original Mac) getting trounced by an OS with a huge application library (DOS/Win3.1). I don't think we see Microsoft playing a significant role in the smartphone market. Unlike tablets, there aren't too many customers needing to run Win32 API apps on a phone. Until we see another inflection point in the platform market, I think Windows will remain niche on the phone and modestly successful on the tablet. The wildcard is the IP litigation, I suppose. If Apple were to be wildly successful at crippling Android, I imagine OEMs would flock to the WinPhone platform.

saturdaysaint 15y ago

Microsoft has deep pockets and they need to be in mobile to stay relevant (even if they earn more money suing Android manufacturers). This isn't an argument when their competition has deeper pockets...

funkydata 15y ago
lol! True. I meant that they won't throw in the towel like HP did with WebOS devices. Even if the sales of the devices do not take off, they still can force manufacturers to produce Windows Phone devices, I am quite certain that the manufacturers they threatened to sue in the "Android maneuver" got a better deal if they accepted to produce Windows Phone handsets in the future. My tuppence worth.

polyfractal 15y ago

I have a love-hate relationship with WP7 development. On one hand, we have Visual Studio, a built in phone emulator, the .Net platform and excellent documentation/tutorials. It's almost stupid how easily you can create fairly advanced "form based" applications with WPF. Games are fairly straightforward with XNA. The build in emulator works with VS like a dream, dropping in and out of breakpoints, etc. I could gush all day about the development environment. However, App Hub (the place to actually publish your app) is an absolute nightmare. Built entirely in Silverlight, it is buggy, clunky and unintuitive. There is basically zero documentation, descriptions are vague or just wrong. Stats about your app are at least a week delayed and are not detailed. You can only see reviews for your app in your local market (e.g. US market). My app has a few reviews from England, but I have to use a third party tool to view them. I could rant all day about App Hub.

barend 15y ago
The app hub problems you describe are fixable. Did you relay your issues to Microsoft?
- polyfractal 15y ago
  I have and so have a lot of other developers. To be fair, they did a major overhaul of the App Hub just prior to Mango which corrected a number of other issues. It just seems to take them a long time to correct what should be obvious issues or usability problems.
zwigby 15y ago
From my experience with iPhone and iTunes connect (also not a great application) I don't spend a lot of time in iTunes Connect. Are you spending a lot of time in the App Hub? What I'm getting at is that this sounds like a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme.
- polyfractal 15y ago
  Oh, I agree entirely. The benefits of the excellent development environment completely overshadow the poor App Hub experience. And once you're at the point where you are submitting an app, you are already committed. The poor experience won't stop you from submitting, and probably won't stop you from developing another app.

spanktheuser 15y ago

> You next phone will be a Windows Phone. I'm not so sanguine. First Mover Advantage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-mover_advantage) is a very real effect across many industries. In fact, the some of the patterns in the wikipedia entry have already been seen in the smartphone market (pre-emption of scarce resources, free rider effects). And we don't have to look too far back in history to find an example of an OS with a superior UI (original Mac) getting trounced by an OS with a huge application library (DOS/Win3.1). I don't think we see Microsoft playing a significant role in the smartphone market. Unlike tablets, there aren't too many customers needing to run Win32 API apps on a phone. Until we see another inflection point in the platform market, I think Windows will remain niche on the phone and modestly successful on the tablet. The wildcard is the IP litigation, I suppose. If Apple were to be wildly successful at crippling Android, I imagine OEMs would flock to the WinPhone platform.