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People at those "special genius places" can't participate in any of the things you mentioned. They get paid for other, much more important jobs. Darpa grand

People at those "special genius places" can't participate in any of the things you mentioned. They get paid for other, much more important jobs. Darpa grand challenge wasn't due to the government not being able to do something, it was due to it being much cheaper to just pay someone to do it for you. In the end, lots of teams competed and only a few got any money out of it, the rest of us ended up just volunteering for the government for a while in the hopes of making a lot of money.

geogra4 15y ago
I've worked with some GOTS software that came from Sandia and some that came from Lawrence Livermore. It's honestly kind of crappy.
munin 15y ago
here's a good test: the ROSE framework is developed by LLNL. it's basically an LLVM also-ran. compare its code quality, its use experience, and its overall worth (the code for both is open source!)
marshallp 15y ago
I don't believe that's true. The military's been trying to develop self driving vehicles for decades and one of their teams did compete in the darpa challenge and lost. And I don't see self-driving vehicles being unimportant now that the wars are fought against civilian combatants. The military is (or should be) desperate for them, they would avoid almost all military deaths that occur now (ied's blowing up humvees transporting things from the greenzone in baghdad for example). What are the more important stuff that government scientists deal with that academic/industrial scientists are not up to? Don't believe the hype the military-industrial complex sells about itself.
- nosequel 15y ago
  No one from the government competed in the Darpa Grand Challenge. It was all private companies or universities. I was there, DARPA sponsored it and oversaw it, that's all. Check the wiki link below and tell me which team listed was from the DoD? They wanted self-driving cars for military transport into dangerous locations. The first DGC there were only a few competitors and none of us did very well. In 2005 there were quite a few (listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge_(2005) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge_(2005)) with lots of teams making it through to the desert final stage. I was part of the military-industrial complex, and yes there is a lot of wasteful B.S. only there to make more things to make more money, but there is stuff there that is not being done at all (or at least not well) outside of the government. Those things are the things that are labelled Secret or Top Secret in most cases. Like all governments, if the US government has an advantage in any little way, it likes to keep it that way.
  - marshallp 15y ago
    Wouldn't you consider the mitre entry basically a government entry (it's a non-profit funded by the government).
    - nosequel 15y ago
      No, because they are all civilians who don't even carry GS rankings. Mitre is just a government contractor like everyone else in that space, but they are different because they are a not-for-profit corporation. They serve contracts for the government, but so do people like Lockheed and Northrop. Like those other two, the government couldn't just shut down Mitre.

geogra4 15y ago

I've worked with some GOTS software that came from Sandia and some that came from Lawrence Livermore. It's honestly kind of crappy.

munin 15y ago

here's a good test: the ROSE framework is developed by LLNL. it's basically an LLVM also-ran. compare its code quality, its use experience, and its overall worth (the code for both is open source!)

marshallp 15y ago

I don't believe that's true. The military's been trying to develop self driving vehicles for decades and one of their teams did compete in the darpa challenge and lost. And I don't see self-driving vehicles being unimportant now that the wars are fought against civilian combatants. The military is (or should be) desperate for them, they would avoid almost all military deaths that occur now (ied's blowing up humvees transporting things from the greenzone in baghdad for example). What are the more important stuff that government scientists deal with that academic/industrial scientists are not up to? Don't believe the hype the military-industrial complex sells about itself.

nosequel 15y ago
No one from the government competed in the Darpa Grand Challenge. It was all private companies or universities. I was there, DARPA sponsored it and oversaw it, that's all. Check the wiki link below and tell me which team listed was from the DoD? They wanted self-driving cars for military transport into dangerous locations. The first DGC there were only a few competitors and none of us did very well. In 2005 there were quite a few (listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge_(2005) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge_(2005)) with lots of teams making it through to the desert final stage. I was part of the military-industrial complex, and yes there is a lot of wasteful B.S. only there to make more things to make more money, but there is stuff there that is not being done at all (or at least not well) outside of the government. Those things are the things that are labelled Secret or Top Secret in most cases. Like all governments, if the US government has an advantage in any little way, it likes to keep it that way.
- marshallp 15y ago
  Wouldn't you consider the mitre entry basically a government entry (it's a non-profit funded by the government).
  - nosequel 15y ago
    No, because they are all civilians who don't even carry GS rankings. Mitre is just a government contractor like everyone else in that space, but they are different because they are a not-for-profit corporation. They serve contracts for the government, but so do people like Lockheed and Northrop. Like those other two, the government couldn't just shut down Mitre.