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They are indeed set up to waste people's time. Blocking people leads to them searching for ways around your block really quickly. Making them waste time not re

They are indeed set up to waste people's time. Blocking people leads to them searching for ways around your block really quickly. Making them waste time not realizing they have been blocked, such as endless retries or shadow bans, is much more effective at making them stop bothering you for a while longer. Time spent doing this is time they can't spend being malicious on your platform. It's unfortunate when a non-malicious user gets caught in one of these traps...

tpoacher 4y ago
"Unfortunate" Sounds like something a film villain would say when asked about collateral damage.
ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
it is unfortunate that some people believe those pros outweigh the punishment inflicted on innocent users it is better a thousand criminals/ spammers go free than a single innocent non-spammer be treated as if they are one essentially the companies are shifting their own pain (with spammers) onto innocent users ("it's your problem now, suck it users, lol!!!")
- raverbashing 4y ago
  > better a thousand criminals/ spammers go free than a single innocent non-spammer be treated as if they are one Sounds like you never had to actually deal with such a spammer problem yourself
  - dingleberry420 4y ago
    - raverbashing 4y ago
      Yes banning users from a website is exactly like sending them to the gulag, it's exactly that
      - dingleberry420 4y ago
        So you don't believe in guilty until proven innocent? Or do you? How do you justify banning innocent users?
        fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
        It really depends on the scale of the punishment doesn't it? Got sent to the gulag - well now you have a major problem. Can't post meme on reddit - oh no! Websites generally aren't obligated to accept all users, precisely because we as a society decided that it's not really a big deal if you can't.
        dingleberry420 4y ago
        Can't post a meme on facebook - oh no! Can't access facebook marketplace - legitimately annoying! Can't access your mail archive going back a decade - could be a huge problem for some people Sure, it's not as bad as getting sent to the gulag. But the problem with most of these tech companies is far bigger than not being able to post a meme.
        thegrimmest 4y ago
        I do believe you're misapplying Blackstone's Formulation. I think it's perfectly fine to presume guilt in some cases when operating a public service. This can be reformulated as making users go through extra steps designed to screen bad actors. We in fact do this at places like airports (and increasingly schools) all the time. For instance if your user happens to be an unwitting botnet member (or even if he has a newly assigned IP previously belonging to one) - his IP will be suspicious and you can "punish" him accordingly. Also Blackstone's ratio was 1/10, not 1/1000.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    "its easier to just punish everybody than single out the person actually deserving of punishment" is actually a common defense of collective punishment the equal and opposite response would be, "Sounds like you never had to actually deal with such a usability problem yourself", but I'm not interested in trying to devolve this discussion into one about you and me, instead of the topic

tpoacher 4y ago

"Unfortunate" Sounds like something a film villain would say when asked about collateral damage.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago

it is unfortunate that some people believe those pros outweigh the punishment inflicted on innocent users it is better a thousand criminals/ spammers go free than a single innocent non-spammer be treated as if they are one essentially the companies are shifting their own pain (with spammers) onto innocent users ("it's your problem now, suck it users, lol!!!")

raverbashing 4y ago
> better a thousand criminals/ spammers go free than a single innocent non-spammer be treated as if they are one Sounds like you never had to actually deal with such a spammer problem yourself
- dingleberry420 4y ago
  - raverbashing 4y ago
    Yes banning users from a website is exactly like sending them to the gulag, it's exactly that
    - dingleberry420 4y ago
      So you don't believe in guilty until proven innocent? Or do you? How do you justify banning innocent users?
      - fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
        It really depends on the scale of the punishment doesn't it? Got sent to the gulag - well now you have a major problem. Can't post meme on reddit - oh no! Websites generally aren't obligated to accept all users, precisely because we as a society decided that it's not really a big deal if you can't.
        dingleberry420 4y ago
        Can't post a meme on facebook - oh no! Can't access facebook marketplace - legitimately annoying! Can't access your mail archive going back a decade - could be a huge problem for some people Sure, it's not as bad as getting sent to the gulag. But the problem with most of these tech companies is far bigger than not being able to post a meme.
      - thegrimmest 4y ago
        I do believe you're misapplying Blackstone's Formulation. I think it's perfectly fine to presume guilt in some cases when operating a public service. This can be reformulated as making users go through extra steps designed to screen bad actors. We in fact do this at places like airports (and increasingly schools) all the time. For instance if your user happens to be an unwitting botnet member (or even if he has a newly assigned IP previously belonging to one) - his IP will be suspicious and you can "punish" him accordingly. Also Blackstone's ratio was 1/10, not 1/1000.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  "its easier to just punish everybody than single out the person actually deserving of punishment" is actually a common defense of collective punishment the equal and opposite response would be, "Sounds like you never had to actually deal with such a usability problem yourself", but I'm not interested in trying to devolve this discussion into one about you and me, instead of the topic