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namecheapTA 4y ago
You say he's been lying about the laws, and for proof you offer the fact that no one's been arrested for it yet. Is that really how it works? If the government doesn't prosecute, then the law that is written should not be discussed as written?
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  I casually mentioned no one has been prosecuted. That wasn’t my proof. The proof is the law itself and what Peterson said about it. Your Q is irrelevant here as Peterson wasn’t discussing what was written as law, but his narrative.
badpun 4y ago
> Even earlier than that he espoused beliefs of yearning for the old days when a man could make a living for the whole family and casually beat his wife (look up his redpill fedora access/public tv video for this). If you're posting such a serious accusation, you should at least provide the link yourself...
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  It isn’t a serious accusation. Peterson hasn’t never been secretive of his bigotry and right wing extremism. Going more mask off now just makes him more extreme, not a different person. I said what to look up. If this is such a big accusation as to respond asking for a link, why not type or copy paste the few words mentioned? https://youtube.com/watch?v=TWsxFKF__is https://youtube.com/watch?v=TWsxFKF__is I have the uninterrupted clip saved locally, but here’s a video talking about and showing some of it. There should still be actual full clip ones too.
  - badpun 4y ago
    I found the video you refer to (https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/mdmlm0/not_enough_people_have_seen_this_old_video_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/mdmlm0...) and it does not contain any of the things you listed. Did you even listen to what he was saying? His point was only that, as flawed as 50ties men were, the ones current culture is producing may be even worse for women and that people demolishing traditional values may have thrown out baby with the bathwater here. Now, is he right? It's hard to tell, but the phenomenon he describes definitely exists to some degree.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      Did you miss the part where he yearned for the days when 50s men could come home and repress [sic] women? He brought up 50s men again later. Sure I exaggerated since he doesn’t explicitly say hit your wife. However if one is to say imagine a 1950s testosterone filled man comes home after being the sole bread winner and oppressed his wife, there will be a non zero amount of people who will think that can or will involve hitting your wife. He didn’t say much about their flaws. He kept hedging for how they are the good and better ones. He for sure never phrased this as “as flaws as 50ties men were” in the context of the whole thing. Knowing Jordan Peterson’s sexism, racism, religious bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, disregard for the poor, and his own hypocrisy of his own mean advice and sayings on drug addiction, if a statement about a 50s guy coming home to repress/oppress his wife doesn’t scream a big issue to you, nothing will. You will be able to turn anything he says into a positive, and I will not see his sneaky wording as anything but that. I mean in his Kyle Kulinski discussion recently and before that too, he talks about how “remember when [gay] pride used to be a sin?” As if that’s an indictiment on being gay. And that gay and trans advocacy is tricking people into being gay and trans. It’s insanely baffling to appreciate someone’s words when they actually are saying straight cis people are being tricked into being gay or trans. No less to the point of a morale panic. I can’t give any benefit of the doubt to such an overt bigot. > Now, is he right? It's hard to tell, but the phenomenon he describes definitely exists to some degree. He’s probably wrong. His own philosophies with all this are bankrupt to begin with. He talks about hierarchies being natural and the best with the alphas rising up. Yet marriage is the opposite of that. It forces exclusive monogamy and is pushed down through culture and society. He has been asked by Rogan and others about this contradiction to his work. His answers are quite wanting. It’s obvious there’s no answer except monogamy benefits him and many of his fans who aren’t the most playboy types and are likely conservative leaning thus want “traditions”.

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You say he's been lying about the laws, and for proof you offer the fact that no one's been arrested for it yet. Is that really how it works? If the government doesn't prosecute, then the law that is written should not be discussed as written?

skinnymuch 4y ago
I casually mentioned no one has been prosecuted. That wasn’t my proof. The proof is the law itself and what Peterson said about it. Your Q is irrelevant here as Peterson wasn’t discussing what was written as law, but his narrative.

badpun 4y ago

> Even earlier than that he espoused beliefs of yearning for the old days when a man could make a living for the whole family and casually beat his wife (look up his redpill fedora access/public tv video for this). If you're posting such a serious accusation, you should at least provide the link yourself...

skinnymuch 4y ago
It isn’t a serious accusation. Peterson hasn’t never been secretive of his bigotry and right wing extremism. Going more mask off now just makes him more extreme, not a different person. I said what to look up. If this is such a big accusation as to respond asking for a link, why not type or copy paste the few words mentioned? https://youtube.com/watch?v=TWsxFKF__is https://youtube.com/watch?v=TWsxFKF__is I have the uninterrupted clip saved locally, but here’s a video talking about and showing some of it. There should still be actual full clip ones too.
- badpun 4y ago
  I found the video you refer to (https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/mdmlm0/not_enough_people_have_seen_this_old_video_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/mdmlm0...) and it does not contain any of the things you listed. Did you even listen to what he was saying? His point was only that, as flawed as 50ties men were, the ones current culture is producing may be even worse for women and that people demolishing traditional values may have thrown out baby with the bathwater here. Now, is he right? It's hard to tell, but the phenomenon he describes definitely exists to some degree.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Did you miss the part where he yearned for the days when 50s men could come home and repress [sic] women? He brought up 50s men again later. Sure I exaggerated since he doesn’t explicitly say hit your wife. However if one is to say imagine a 1950s testosterone filled man comes home after being the sole bread winner and oppressed his wife, there will be a non zero amount of people who will think that can or will involve hitting your wife. He didn’t say much about their flaws. He kept hedging for how they are the good and better ones. He for sure never phrased this as “as flaws as 50ties men were” in the context of the whole thing. Knowing Jordan Peterson’s sexism, racism, religious bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, disregard for the poor, and his own hypocrisy of his own mean advice and sayings on drug addiction, if a statement about a 50s guy coming home to repress/oppress his wife doesn’t scream a big issue to you, nothing will. You will be able to turn anything he says into a positive, and I will not see his sneaky wording as anything but that. I mean in his Kyle Kulinski discussion recently and before that too, he talks about how “remember when [gay] pride used to be a sin?” As if that’s an indictiment on being gay. And that gay and trans advocacy is tricking people into being gay and trans. It’s insanely baffling to appreciate someone’s words when they actually are saying straight cis people are being tricked into being gay or trans. No less to the point of a morale panic. I can’t give any benefit of the doubt to such an overt bigot. > Now, is he right? It's hard to tell, but the phenomenon he describes definitely exists to some degree. He’s probably wrong. His own philosophies with all this are bankrupt to begin with. He talks about hierarchies being natural and the best with the alphas rising up. Yet marriage is the opposite of that. It forces exclusive monogamy and is pushed down through culture and society. He has been asked by Rogan and others about this contradiction to his work. His answers are quite wanting. It’s obvious there’s no answer except monogamy benefits him and many of his fans who aren’t the most playboy types and are likely conservative leaning thus want “traditions”.