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I get that this is satire but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" (which I feel your satirical comment alludes to

I get that this is satire but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" (which I feel your satirical comment alludes to?) You're "taking the piss" at people who value working hard/long hours, reading, trying to be successful financially, taking care of their health/fitness, cutting ties with loser friends (drug addicts? bums?)

psyc 4y ago
I'm fine with these things insofar as they are factually in service to a substantial undertaking. The routine cannot be the undertaking, nor am I impressed by such a routine in search of an undertaking. The camera should only be on the routine, the 'secrets of success', rarely as a glimpse behind the scenes. As a rule, the camera should be on the worthy venture.
coldtea 4y ago
>but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" First, because both healthy and productive have long become a rat race. In that sense, it's not about some e.g. obese person wanting to lose weight anymore, or about some lazy person wanting to get their act together and be more productive, but increasingly about an obsession with dieting and working out, or with working all the time to "make it" and hustling constantly. Second, because for many those aren't even their own goals, just things instilled in them by influencers, productivity and health peddlers, the media, and co, as a substitute for a meaningful work and a balanced way of life. Third, because even those dubious goals are often not followed anyway, instead people obsess with productivity and health "porn", todo systems, micro-managing their day (or meals), measurbating, and so on, as opposed to a simple, natural approach to those things.
xkcd1963 4y ago
If you abandon your drug addict friends and bums that only shows that somebody with a stronger character wouldn't fear aquiring their attributes nor would aquire them.
posix86 4y ago
I'm open for different opinions, but in my view, being more productive for its own sake is fundamentally misinformed. Being productive means being more efficient at producing output. To get there, you need to put effort into optimizing your process. This effort is only worth it if you know that you NEED more output, in order to reach some OTHER goal. More efficiency in of itself is a misaligned goal. It doesn't lead to happyness. In fact, it seems to me, most of those gurus, and their followers seem to be about boasting their productivity dick. It's like flaunting money: a status symbol that doesn't make you happy in of itself. If you're making honey because you think just simply having money will make you happy, you'll be leading a miserable life. That's not what the article is about but it relates to what you said.
ziddoap 4y ago
Parent poster is referring to the people that take "healthy and productive", condense it, distill it, then shoot it into their veins. At some threshold it becomes an obsession, which is not great.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  why would anybody want to be unhealthy and unproductive? what is to be gained from those two characteristics?
  - maximus-decimus 4y ago
    Fun. The answer is fun. But obviously, it's not that you have fun eating because you're unhealthy, it's that you're unhealthy because you eat stuff for enjoyment. Similarly, being unproductive isn't fun in itself, but having fun means almost by definition not being productive. If a hobby is productive, it's not really a hobby.
    - MuffinFlavored 4y ago
      What is fun these days? Maybe fun is being productive, working out, and making money. How many hobbies really beat the dopamine hit of ADHD-tweaked TikTok?
      - the_af 4y ago
        > What is fun these days? Fun can be many things, and it's definitely not constrained to being "productive". What does being productive even mean to you? If you do everything productivity porn tells you to do, you probably won't be "successful" anyway, and you'll live an empty, Patrick Batesman life.
      - RalfWausE 4y ago
        "Fun" is a too short termed word i think... "happieness" would perhaps be better: Riding a sailboat hard on the wind, watching the foam of the waves splatter onto the deck... Reading a book in a comfy chair, only accompanied by the sounds of a fire... Learning something new that changes your worldview completely... Cooking together with your partner... Watching your children grow... "Fun"... "fun" is short lived like the buzz you get from a glass of good whiskey, i would say its better to strive for happieness
leokennis 4y ago
I’m not qualified to comment on the health factor. In general striving to be healthy is good, no contest there. But regarding working those long and hard hours (which then cannot be spent on other things) maybe we should heed the advice of the dying: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-fiv... > 2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard. > > "This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship. Women also spoke of this regret, but as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence."
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  For anybody who is just scrolling by and not clicking any links: Top five regrets of the dying 1. I wish I'd had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me. 2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard. 3. I wish I'd had the courage to express my feelings. 4. I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends. 5. I wish that I had let myself be happier.
  - satisfice 4y ago
    Opposite list: 1. I wish I’d have cared more about others than my own “truths.” 2. I wish I had applied myself more and realized my potential. 3. I wish I’d had the discipline to hide my feelings instead of burdening my friends and family so much with drama. 4. I wish I hadn’t let my “friends” dominate my life. 5. I wish I hadn't been so obsessed with happiness, and had appreciated contentment instead.
  - lupire 4y ago
  - borroka 4y ago
    This list has been circulating forever, following the publication of the book, and I believe they should be called "top five very theoretical and after the fact and with no empirical evidence they are regrets and they would do something different if in the same position of the dying". Now, think of those who like to eat until they are full, those 7k calorie meals. There are many such cases, especially in the United States. After such a large meal, which would frighten weaker stomachs, if they were asked, "Do you regret eating like that?" they would almost certainly say yes. But they would do it again tomorrow, some would say because they have a medical condition, others because they love to eat and don't mind having problems with walking, diabetes, and all the assorted ailments that go hand in hand with overeating, or alcohol, or any combination of the two. In a moment of tremendous weakness, of fear of crossing the Acheron, when asked "do you regret working so hard?" even the laziest worker the world has ever seen, the anti-Stakanov, would say, "yes, I do, it's one of my biggest regrets." Some of my friends did not continue studying after middle school and sometimes say, "I would have/should have continued studying," regardless of the fact that at that time they were not inclined to open a textbook even with a gun pointed at their head. But in their minds, if they had a chance to go back in time and armed with motivation that they did not have at the time, they would study, of course they would. But they only like the idea, not the action. They are the same people. And it's the same for those five regrets, the "if I had $10 million, I would give $9.5 million to charity." But they don't have that $10 million.
matsemann 4y ago
It's not that any one of them is wrong. It's overdoing them, or doing them all at once to the detriment of the others. Or more likely: the image being put forward isn't even real, because it's not enough hours in a day to do them all.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  > doing them all at once to the detriment of the others. a situation comes to mind a father who has to ignore his wife + children because he's addicted to "the grind/hustle" of working 12+ hour days and traveling... so he can make money... for his wife + children is there true net detriment in that case? i'm sure the wife + children appreciate the extra income?
  - the_af 4y ago
    > is there true net detriment in that case? Yes. > i'm sure the wife + children appreciate the extra income? Probably appreciate the money and resent the guy. Also, the wife also probably wants a professional career for herself (or to pursue activities away from home and the kids) -- so old-fashioned of you to guess she will want to play the housewife. The children would probably prefer a father who was available. If this guy is ignoring them, as you put it, that marriage will probably not end well, and the family itself will be tested. If the guy is going to spend 12 hours daily away from home working, then "hit the gym", read 5 books a day, then travel a lot for work, maybe he doesn't want a family; maybe he could just donate a portion of his money to random strangers.
  - 0xFF0123 4y ago
    It depends, there's obviously a happy medium between the two extremes. Optimising for family happiness, sure. Optimising for making money and expecting that to return family happiness, probably not.
Swizec 4y ago
It's like people who spend so much time optimizing their perfect productivity system that it doesn't leave any time for doing the things. Their entire life is about managing the productivity system. Talking about the work !== doing the work. 9 times out of 10 you're better off doing something, anything, than worrying about productivity. Go do stuff. Doing every productivity hack and good habit in something like Ferris's Tools of Titans is literally a full time job if not more. I have the same critique for note taking porn.
epolanski 4y ago
There's nothing wrong in it, if taken lightly and in a healthy positive manner. I think he's parodying the extreme fixation with one's productivity.
eptcyka 4y ago
Valuing hard work, reading and trying to be financially successful is something completely unrelated to trying to do 18 hour work days, skimming several books a day, and running the hamster wheel off the peg and into the frying pan. Hard work is often what is required to be successful, but just mindlessly toiling away is not the key ingredient to success. Also, what good is a friend who wouldn't come to your aid in the hardest of times?
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  > Valuing hard work, reading and trying to be financially successful is something completely unrelated to trying to do 18 hour work days Are you trying to say "it's easy to be financially successful by working 8 hours a day instead of 18 hours"? like... it's "overstated" that people think they need to "work more/work harder" to become successful?
  - eptcyka 4y ago
    I'd say you'll probably spend more money on medical bills I'd you were to work 18 hour days 5 days a week for any meaningful amount of time. Or one might be sorely mistaken about what constitutes 18 hour work days - does that include travel and eating time too?
    - CRConrad 4y ago
      That schedule seems untenable even in the fairly short run. If you really need to work 90-hour weeks, six days of fifteen hours (and just one day off in stead of two) feels much more like something you could keep up for at least a month, perhaps even more. If nothing else, 18-hour workdays leave at the most five hours for sleep (and only one for everything else, like mealtimes and hygiene), so you'll be pretty damn bushed come Thursday and Friday. 15 hours of work would leave seven for sleep, and double your everything-else time to a luxurious two.
  - lmm 4y ago
    Easy, no. Easier, yes. People absolutely overvalue putting in more time/effort, which actually has pretty poor returns.
CSMastermind 4y ago
Some people who push these values on social media care way more about the image of being a "successful person" than actually doing what it takes to achieve success (which rarely involves bragging about how hard you work on social media). They're at best untrustworthy sources and at worst snakeoil salesmen. Speaking of the latter there's a special brand of cognitive dissonance being shown here. If there were some surefire way to be rich and happy, etc. in a very short period of time. A system so simple that anyone could follow it then why doesn't everyone? If you really believe that these habits would make anyone successful then you have to explain why everyone isn't doing it. And they convince others and themselves that it's because most people aren't willing to do what it takes. They won't sacrifice their comfort or friends or whatever to the point that it takes to be successful. If you do all these things are still aren't rich and retired? Well it must mean you haven't sacrificed enough or worked hard enough or whatever! The real answer is that none of these habits are a guarantee of success. Are they good ideas? Sure! Like for sure eat healthy, get enough sleep, read books, and work out. Like everything though there are tradeoffs, often on your time, and moderation can be the key for most people. There are other inputs into your success and there's no one size fits all plan that works for everyone.
- bulbosaur123 4y ago
  > If you really believe that these habits would make anyone successful then you have to explain why everyone isn't doing it. Everyone else isn't doing it, because it's really, really hard to stick to the habits. Same reason why everyone else isn't walking with a ripped physique and six-pack. It's simple, just work out 3x a week and count your calories. Why isn't everyone shredded?
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  > Some people who push these values on social media care way more about the image of being a "successful person" than actually doing what it takes to achieve success (which rarely involves bragging about how hard you work on social media). Devil's advocate but you can measurably tell if you are financially successful (from working hard/long hours) and our healthy fitness wise (from going to the gym/eating clean/going for a run/etc.) you can also measurably tell if you are in a good headspace from meditation/yoga/reading I'm the first person to poop on people who "do it for the Gram" but... Most people I know who post about being successful are the same people who wouldn't want their image hurt by being caught in a lie. aka... they aren't really "fronting", they are really "about it" when it comes to living a "let's talk about it" lifestyle
Forgeties79 4y ago
The guy spends so much time optimizing every minute of his day that he's functionally not "living." Also notice he has literally no human interaction.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  what do we define as living? i have many friends who swear it is more fun to work than to "sit around watching netflix/hang out with friends passing time/drinking alcohol"
  - the_af 4y ago
    Before we define living, please define what "work" and "productivity" mean to you.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    Did you watch the video? Not being antagonistic or anything, it’s just necessary for my response to make sense.
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ravenstine 4y ago
Not who you're replying to, but the problem I see with productivity porn is that it completely ignores the luck involved in success. We all have agency, but some people will work more hours and take more ice baths than everyone else and still end up poor and irrelevant. Some people are better off realizing they don't have "it" and taking a more relaxed approach to life.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  A good deal of that luck probably occurs at the point of conception too.
TrackerFF 4y ago
Nothing wrong with living a healthy lifestyle (healthy diet, working out, taking care of your mental health) and being ambitious about your career. But these brofluencers (Andrew Tate being the latest one) just regurgitate and compound the same ol' to new levels. They mostly cater to young, impressionable, and desperate kids - promising that if you just follow these easy steps, then luck will come your way. And the whole hustle porn community fetishizes working every single waking hour ("the grind") doing something that everyone else is doing - your edge is to basically worker harder and cheaper than anyone else. It's always the same "bro, just start a drop-shipping business for passive income, create your own brand of [saturated market item], also do [FX/Crypto/options] day trading. It's all about grinding, I promise bro - but first, buy my super alpha prestige mentoring package for $3k" spiel. And if you're not driving a lambo, living in a mansion with your super model by the age of 30, you just didn't hustle and grind hard enough. These communities tend to obsess over things like productivity - everything to save up space for the grind.
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  It's like Evangelical Capitalism. Or something. We're deep into the land of MLM attitudes - usually without the explicit MLM pyramid - and Warrior Forum grifters. It's not a new scene. Outside of Techia, a site called The Salty Droid has been tracking some of the worst excesses for over a decade now.

psyc 4y ago

I'm fine with these things insofar as they are factually in service to a substantial undertaking. The routine cannot be the undertaking, nor am I impressed by such a routine in search of an undertaking. The camera should only be on the routine, the 'secrets of success', rarely as a glimpse behind the scenes. As a rule, the camera should be on the worthy venture.

coldtea 4y ago

>but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" First, because both healthy and productive have long become a rat race. In that sense, it's not about some e.g. obese person wanting to lose weight anymore, or about some lazy person wanting to get their act together and be more productive, but increasingly about an obsession with dieting and working out, or with working all the time to "make it" and hustling constantly. Second, because for many those aren't even their own goals, just things instilled in them by influencers, productivity and health peddlers, the media, and co, as a substitute for a meaningful work and a balanced way of life. Third, because even those dubious goals are often not followed anyway, instead people obsess with productivity and health "porn", todo systems, micro-managing their day (or meals), measurbating, and so on, as opposed to a simple, natural approach to those things.

xkcd1963 4y ago

If you abandon your drug addict friends and bums that only shows that somebody with a stronger character wouldn't fear aquiring their attributes nor would aquire them.

posix86 4y ago

I'm open for different opinions, but in my view, being more productive for its own sake is fundamentally misinformed. Being productive means being more efficient at producing output. To get there, you need to put effort into optimizing your process. This effort is only worth it if you know that you NEED more output, in order to reach some OTHER goal. More efficiency in of itself is a misaligned goal. It doesn't lead to happyness. In fact, it seems to me, most of those gurus, and their followers seem to be about boasting their productivity dick. It's like flaunting money: a status symbol that doesn't make you happy in of itself. If you're making honey because you think just simply having money will make you happy, you'll be leading a miserable life. That's not what the article is about but it relates to what you said.

ziddoap 4y ago

Parent poster is referring to the people that take "healthy and productive", condense it, distill it, then shoot it into their veins. At some threshold it becomes an obsession, which is not great.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
why would anybody want to be unhealthy and unproductive? what is to be gained from those two characteristics?
- maximus-decimus 4y ago
  Fun. The answer is fun. But obviously, it's not that you have fun eating because you're unhealthy, it's that you're unhealthy because you eat stuff for enjoyment. Similarly, being unproductive isn't fun in itself, but having fun means almost by definition not being productive. If a hobby is productive, it's not really a hobby.
  - MuffinFlavored 4y ago
    What is fun these days? Maybe fun is being productive, working out, and making money. How many hobbies really beat the dopamine hit of ADHD-tweaked TikTok?
    - the_af 4y ago
      > What is fun these days? Fun can be many things, and it's definitely not constrained to being "productive". What does being productive even mean to you? If you do everything productivity porn tells you to do, you probably won't be "successful" anyway, and you'll live an empty, Patrick Batesman life.
    - RalfWausE 4y ago
      "Fun" is a too short termed word i think... "happieness" would perhaps be better: Riding a sailboat hard on the wind, watching the foam of the waves splatter onto the deck... Reading a book in a comfy chair, only accompanied by the sounds of a fire... Learning something new that changes your worldview completely... Cooking together with your partner... Watching your children grow... "Fun"... "fun" is short lived like the buzz you get from a glass of good whiskey, i would say its better to strive for happieness

leokennis 4y ago

I’m not qualified to comment on the health factor. In general striving to be healthy is good, no contest there. But regarding working those long and hard hours (which then cannot be spent on other things) maybe we should heed the advice of the dying: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-fiv... > 2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard. > > "This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship. Women also spoke of this regret, but as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence."

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
For anybody who is just scrolling by and not clicking any links: Top five regrets of the dying 1. I wish I'd had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me. 2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard. 3. I wish I'd had the courage to express my feelings. 4. I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends. 5. I wish that I had let myself be happier.
- satisfice 4y ago
  Opposite list: 1. I wish I’d have cared more about others than my own “truths.” 2. I wish I had applied myself more and realized my potential. 3. I wish I’d had the discipline to hide my feelings instead of burdening my friends and family so much with drama. 4. I wish I hadn’t let my “friends” dominate my life. 5. I wish I hadn't been so obsessed with happiness, and had appreciated contentment instead.
- lupire 4y ago
- borroka 4y ago
  This list has been circulating forever, following the publication of the book, and I believe they should be called "top five very theoretical and after the fact and with no empirical evidence they are regrets and they would do something different if in the same position of the dying". Now, think of those who like to eat until they are full, those 7k calorie meals. There are many such cases, especially in the United States. After such a large meal, which would frighten weaker stomachs, if they were asked, "Do you regret eating like that?" they would almost certainly say yes. But they would do it again tomorrow, some would say because they have a medical condition, others because they love to eat and don't mind having problems with walking, diabetes, and all the assorted ailments that go hand in hand with overeating, or alcohol, or any combination of the two. In a moment of tremendous weakness, of fear of crossing the Acheron, when asked "do you regret working so hard?" even the laziest worker the world has ever seen, the anti-Stakanov, would say, "yes, I do, it's one of my biggest regrets." Some of my friends did not continue studying after middle school and sometimes say, "I would have/should have continued studying," regardless of the fact that at that time they were not inclined to open a textbook even with a gun pointed at their head. But in their minds, if they had a chance to go back in time and armed with motivation that they did not have at the time, they would study, of course they would. But they only like the idea, not the action. They are the same people. And it's the same for those five regrets, the "if I had $10 million, I would give $9.5 million to charity." But they don't have that $10 million.

matsemann 4y ago

It's not that any one of them is wrong. It's overdoing them, or doing them all at once to the detriment of the others. Or more likely: the image being put forward isn't even real, because it's not enough hours in a day to do them all.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> doing them all at once to the detriment of the others. a situation comes to mind a father who has to ignore his wife + children because he's addicted to "the grind/hustle" of working 12+ hour days and traveling... so he can make money... for his wife + children is there true net detriment in that case? i'm sure the wife + children appreciate the extra income?
- the_af 4y ago
  > is there true net detriment in that case? Yes. > i'm sure the wife + children appreciate the extra income? Probably appreciate the money and resent the guy. Also, the wife also probably wants a professional career for herself (or to pursue activities away from home and the kids) -- so old-fashioned of you to guess she will want to play the housewife. The children would probably prefer a father who was available. If this guy is ignoring them, as you put it, that marriage will probably not end well, and the family itself will be tested. If the guy is going to spend 12 hours daily away from home working, then "hit the gym", read 5 books a day, then travel a lot for work, maybe he doesn't want a family; maybe he could just donate a portion of his money to random strangers.
- 0xFF0123 4y ago
  It depends, there's obviously a happy medium between the two extremes. Optimising for family happiness, sure. Optimising for making money and expecting that to return family happiness, probably not.

Swizec 4y ago

It's like people who spend so much time optimizing their perfect productivity system that it doesn't leave any time for doing the things. Their entire life is about managing the productivity system. Talking about the work !== doing the work. 9 times out of 10 you're better off doing something, anything, than worrying about productivity. Go do stuff. Doing every productivity hack and good habit in something like Ferris's Tools of Titans is literally a full time job if not more. I have the same critique for note taking porn.

epolanski 4y ago

There's nothing wrong in it, if taken lightly and in a healthy positive manner. I think he's parodying the extreme fixation with one's productivity.

eptcyka 4y ago

Valuing hard work, reading and trying to be financially successful is something completely unrelated to trying to do 18 hour work days, skimming several books a day, and running the hamster wheel off the peg and into the frying pan. Hard work is often what is required to be successful, but just mindlessly toiling away is not the key ingredient to success. Also, what good is a friend who wouldn't come to your aid in the hardest of times?

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> Valuing hard work, reading and trying to be financially successful is something completely unrelated to trying to do 18 hour work days Are you trying to say "it's easy to be financially successful by working 8 hours a day instead of 18 hours"? like... it's "overstated" that people think they need to "work more/work harder" to become successful?
- eptcyka 4y ago
  I'd say you'll probably spend more money on medical bills I'd you were to work 18 hour days 5 days a week for any meaningful amount of time. Or one might be sorely mistaken about what constitutes 18 hour work days - does that include travel and eating time too?
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    That schedule seems untenable even in the fairly short run. If you really need to work 90-hour weeks, six days of fifteen hours (and just one day off in stead of two) feels much more like something you could keep up for at least a month, perhaps even more. If nothing else, 18-hour workdays leave at the most five hours for sleep (and only one for everything else, like mealtimes and hygiene), so you'll be pretty damn bushed come Thursday and Friday. 15 hours of work would leave seven for sleep, and double your everything-else time to a luxurious two.
- lmm 4y ago
  Easy, no. Easier, yes. People absolutely overvalue putting in more time/effort, which actually has pretty poor returns.

CSMastermind 4y ago

Some people who push these values on social media care way more about the image of being a "successful person" than actually doing what it takes to achieve success (which rarely involves bragging about how hard you work on social media). They're at best untrustworthy sources and at worst snakeoil salesmen. Speaking of the latter there's a special brand of cognitive dissonance being shown here. If there were some surefire way to be rich and happy, etc. in a very short period of time. A system so simple that anyone could follow it then why doesn't everyone? If you really believe that these habits would make anyone successful then you have to explain why everyone isn't doing it. And they convince others and themselves that it's because most people aren't willing to do what it takes. They won't sacrifice their comfort or friends or whatever to the point that it takes to be successful. If you do all these things are still aren't rich and retired? Well it must mean you haven't sacrificed enough or worked hard enough or whatever! The real answer is that none of these habits are a guarantee of success. Are they good ideas? Sure! Like for sure eat healthy, get enough sleep, read books, and work out. Like everything though there are tradeoffs, often on your time, and moderation can be the key for most people. There are other inputs into your success and there's no one size fits all plan that works for everyone.

bulbosaur123 4y ago
> If you really believe that these habits would make anyone successful then you have to explain why everyone isn't doing it. Everyone else isn't doing it, because it's really, really hard to stick to the habits. Same reason why everyone else isn't walking with a ripped physique and six-pack. It's simple, just work out 3x a week and count your calories. Why isn't everyone shredded?
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> Some people who push these values on social media care way more about the image of being a "successful person" than actually doing what it takes to achieve success (which rarely involves bragging about how hard you work on social media). Devil's advocate but you can measurably tell if you are financially successful (from working hard/long hours) and our healthy fitness wise (from going to the gym/eating clean/going for a run/etc.) you can also measurably tell if you are in a good headspace from meditation/yoga/reading I'm the first person to poop on people who "do it for the Gram" but... Most people I know who post about being successful are the same people who wouldn't want their image hurt by being caught in a lie. aka... they aren't really "fronting", they are really "about it" when it comes to living a "let's talk about it" lifestyle

Forgeties79 4y ago

The guy spends so much time optimizing every minute of his day that he's functionally not "living." Also notice he has literally no human interaction.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
what do we define as living? i have many friends who swear it is more fun to work than to "sit around watching netflix/hang out with friends passing time/drinking alcohol"
- the_af 4y ago
  Before we define living, please define what "work" and "productivity" mean to you.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  Did you watch the video? Not being antagonistic or anything, it’s just necessary for my response to make sense.

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ravenstine 4y ago

Not who you're replying to, but the problem I see with productivity porn is that it completely ignores the luck involved in success. We all have agency, but some people will work more hours and take more ice baths than everyone else and still end up poor and irrelevant. Some people are better off realizing they don't have "it" and taking a more relaxed approach to life.

wizofaus 4y ago
A good deal of that luck probably occurs at the point of conception too.

TrackerFF 4y ago

Nothing wrong with living a healthy lifestyle (healthy diet, working out, taking care of your mental health) and being ambitious about your career. But these brofluencers (Andrew Tate being the latest one) just regurgitate and compound the same ol' to new levels. They mostly cater to young, impressionable, and desperate kids - promising that if you just follow these easy steps, then luck will come your way. And the whole hustle porn community fetishizes working every single waking hour ("the grind") doing something that everyone else is doing - your edge is to basically worker harder and cheaper than anyone else. It's always the same "bro, just start a drop-shipping business for passive income, create your own brand of [saturated market item], also do [FX/Crypto/options] day trading. It's all about grinding, I promise bro - but first, buy my super alpha prestige mentoring package for $3k" spiel. And if you're not driving a lambo, living in a mansion with your super model by the age of 30, you just didn't hustle and grind hard enough. These communities tend to obsess over things like productivity - everything to save up space for the grind.

TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
It's like Evangelical Capitalism. Or something. We're deep into the land of MLM attitudes - usually without the explicit MLM pyramid - and Warrior Forum grifters. It's not a new scene. Outside of Techia, a site called The Salty Droid has been tracking some of the worst excesses for over a decade now.