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Yes but I would argue Amazon has better software than apple by a long shot. Ignoring how you felt as a worker out what you read Amazon employees feel like, Amaz

Yes but I would argue Amazon has better software than apple by a long shot. Ignoring how you felt as a worker out what you read Amazon employees feel like, Amazon has better results.

adamc 4y ago
Why do you think that is?
- recyclelater 4y ago
  As in can I justify my claim, or what are the reasons that Amazon produces better software? I would say the former is a qualitative statement and I am going to have a hard time backing it up with facts, and the latter I have no idea. I run into non stop issues when interacting with apple software as an app producer, from Xcode to iOS to App Store to App Store connect. Their apis are pretty horrible, both the reliability and the design. As an end user of apple products, I regularly run into odd software problems with my MacBook and iPhone. Every CarPlay experience I have had is buggy, both from the actual CarPlay connectivity as well as apples own CarPlay enabled apps. Apple Watch is a horrible nightmare to make anything more complicated than a simple remote display. I could go on and on. However on the Amazon side of things I have never experienced a significant bug, aside from the audible app freezing on occasion when interacting with CarPlay. I blame apple though based off how their own apps work. I say this as an extensive consumer of Amazon products both as a business owner, developer, and SRE, as well as an extensive user of Amazon consumer products. All this being said I don’t like amazon as a business, I can find flaws in their decisions, but they are business decision flaws not just straight buggy products.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >I run into non stop issues when interacting with apple software... >As an end user of apple products, I regularly run into odd software problems with my MacBook and iPhone. Every CarPlay experience I have had is buggy, both from the actual CarPlay connectivity as well as apples own CarPlay enabled apps. >Apple Watch is a horrible nightmare to make anything more complicated than a simple remote display. So why do you keep paying top dollar for Apple products? For work stuff, I can understand, but no one's forcing you to buy an Apple Watch. Of course, many competitors to Apple products aren't perfect either, but they don't charge Apple prices either. I have some cheap Chinese fitness band and it doesn't work perfectly, but it was also only $35 so I really don't care as long as it mostly does what I want it to do, which it does.
    - recyclelater 4y ago
      I have to use an iPhone in order to test our highest grossing platform. I’m not here to debate why apple has the most popular platform, I’m just stating what feels to me like a fairly unequivocal observation - apple’s software is pretty bad compared to Amazon’s. For whatever reason the company that takes millions in App Store revenue from my company, certainly doesn’t use it to make their software better!
      - midoridensha 4y ago
        >I have to use an iPhone in order to test our highest grossing platform. As I said before: "So why do you keep paying top dollar for Apple products? For work stuff, I can understand, but no one's forcing you to buy an Apple Watch." Your work making you use an iPhone for testing does not mean you're required to own and use an iPhone as your personal device, or buy into other parts of the Apple ecosystem. If you really dislike Apple's software so much, why are you still using it outside of work? You complain endlessly about Apple, but you happily continue to send them your money. Multiply this by countless other Apple consumers and you have your answer about why they take millions in App Store revenue from your company and don't bother to improve their software: why should they? If I ran a company and people shoveled their hard-earned money to me no matter how lousy my product was, why would I bother making my product better?
  - adamc 4y ago
    You answered my question -- was looking for a little more context.
  - lupire 4y ago
    Amazon doesn't even try to make all that kinds of software. Amazon makes the Fire, which is terrible, and the website, which isn't user-friendly. AWS is pretty good.
ahartmetz 4y ago
It may be that Apple does more of the "inspiration" part of the work and Amazon does more of the "transpiration" part. There is software that is great on the outside but crap on the inside and vice versa. The last 80% of quality (after the first 80%) come from testing, discipline and other such such unsexy things.

Yes but I would argue Amazon has better software than apple by a long shot. Ignoring how you felt as a worker out what you read Amazon employees feel like, Amazon has better results.

adamc 4y ago

Why do you think that is?

recyclelater 4y ago
As in can I justify my claim, or what are the reasons that Amazon produces better software? I would say the former is a qualitative statement and I am going to have a hard time backing it up with facts, and the latter I have no idea. I run into non stop issues when interacting with apple software as an app producer, from Xcode to iOS to App Store to App Store connect. Their apis are pretty horrible, both the reliability and the design. As an end user of apple products, I regularly run into odd software problems with my MacBook and iPhone. Every CarPlay experience I have had is buggy, both from the actual CarPlay connectivity as well as apples own CarPlay enabled apps. Apple Watch is a horrible nightmare to make anything more complicated than a simple remote display. I could go on and on. However on the Amazon side of things I have never experienced a significant bug, aside from the audible app freezing on occasion when interacting with CarPlay. I blame apple though based off how their own apps work. I say this as an extensive consumer of Amazon products both as a business owner, developer, and SRE, as well as an extensive user of Amazon consumer products. All this being said I don’t like amazon as a business, I can find flaws in their decisions, but they are business decision flaws not just straight buggy products.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  >I run into non stop issues when interacting with apple software... >As an end user of apple products, I regularly run into odd software problems with my MacBook and iPhone. Every CarPlay experience I have had is buggy, both from the actual CarPlay connectivity as well as apples own CarPlay enabled apps. >Apple Watch is a horrible nightmare to make anything more complicated than a simple remote display. So why do you keep paying top dollar for Apple products? For work stuff, I can understand, but no one's forcing you to buy an Apple Watch. Of course, many competitors to Apple products aren't perfect either, but they don't charge Apple prices either. I have some cheap Chinese fitness band and it doesn't work perfectly, but it was also only $35 so I really don't care as long as it mostly does what I want it to do, which it does.
  - recyclelater 4y ago
    I have to use an iPhone in order to test our highest grossing platform. I’m not here to debate why apple has the most popular platform, I’m just stating what feels to me like a fairly unequivocal observation - apple’s software is pretty bad compared to Amazon’s. For whatever reason the company that takes millions in App Store revenue from my company, certainly doesn’t use it to make their software better!
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      >I have to use an iPhone in order to test our highest grossing platform. As I said before: "So why do you keep paying top dollar for Apple products? For work stuff, I can understand, but no one's forcing you to buy an Apple Watch." Your work making you use an iPhone for testing does not mean you're required to own and use an iPhone as your personal device, or buy into other parts of the Apple ecosystem. If you really dislike Apple's software so much, why are you still using it outside of work? You complain endlessly about Apple, but you happily continue to send them your money. Multiply this by countless other Apple consumers and you have your answer about why they take millions in App Store revenue from your company and don't bother to improve their software: why should they? If I ran a company and people shoveled their hard-earned money to me no matter how lousy my product was, why would I bother making my product better?
- adamc 4y ago
  You answered my question -- was looking for a little more context.
- lupire 4y ago
  Amazon doesn't even try to make all that kinds of software. Amazon makes the Fire, which is terrible, and the website, which isn't user-friendly. AWS is pretty good.

ahartmetz 4y ago

It may be that Apple does more of the "inspiration" part of the work and Amazon does more of the "transpiration" part. There is software that is great on the outside but crap on the inside and vice versa. The last 80% of quality (after the first 80%) come from testing, discipline and other such such unsexy things.