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The “recession debate” has to be the most stupid thing to come this election cycle. I guess I’ll take it over “her emails” and “his latest tweet”

nyokodo 4y ago
> I guess I’ll take it over “her emails” and “his latest tweet” It’s not as cringe inducing but considerably worse in other respects. Wikipedia didn’t take sides in the definition of email or tweeting to benefit one party in those previous elections.
- lalaland1125 4y ago
  Did you look at the Wikipedia edit logs yourself or is that an impression you got secondhand from a partisan news source? If you look at the logs it's pretty clear that Wikipedia didn't take sides here.
albatross13 4y ago
- helen___keller 4y ago
  You’re entitled to your opinion but personally having it as a spotlight issue for months seemed like an utter waste of air to me
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    Especially with 1/100th the time and energy spent on most of the next administration using personal email / signal / other self-deleting apps to run the government. Utterly bizarre how "her emails" dominated the coverage for a cycle.
  - hatware 4y ago
    It's only a waste of air if you don't understand the security implications.
    - albatross13 4y ago
      Or, to take it a step further, when you understand the financial implications. I'm not saying the clinton foundation and an email server with SAPs was a clever way to sell state secrets while maintaining plausible deniability...but the clinton foundation and an email server with SAPs was a clever way to sell state secrets while maintaining plausible deniability.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    It was a pretty blatant example of the privileges afforded to important, well-connected individuals. Ask anyone with a clearance what would happen to them if they repeatedly emailed TS information on an unaccredited system, and stored it on an unsecured personal server. People regularly go to jail for this, and anyone with a clearance is repeatedly briefed on the responsibilities that come with access to classified information.
    - archagon 4y ago
      It was complete bullshit, because once the other party got into power, they did the same, and much more, with nary a peep from the folks yelling their heads off about Clinton.
      - scottLobster 4y ago
        Who's they? You clearly don't work in a sector that requires clearance. By nature those fields tend to be more quiet publicly, but the cold rage against those who break security protocols knows no party. And it wasn't even like Snowden, who at least had a cause you could debate as Patriotic, it was just pure laziness and elitism on the part of those who are supposed to be our leaders
        trs8080 4y ago
        "They" likely being "the other party" that got into power during that election. > You clearly don't work in a sector that requires clearance. By nature those fields tend to be more quiet publicly, but the cold rage against those who break security protocols knows no party. Does the POTUS count as working in a sector that requires clearance? "Trump downplays impact of massive hacking, questions Russia involvement" - https://www.reuters.com/article/cyber-breach/trump-downplays-impact-of-massive-hacking-questions-russia-involvement-idUSKBN28T0R1 https://www.reuters.com/article/cyber-breach/trump-downplays... "Trump revealed intelligence secrets to Russians in Oval Office: officials" - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-revealed-intelligence-secrets-to-russians-in-oval-office-officials-idUSKCN18B2MX https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-re... "National Archives: Trump took classified items to Mar-a-Lago" - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-national-security-9c1f6dca7e3e8073ee029604c8253a5c https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-national-... "Trump White House granted about 25 people security clearances over officials' objections, whistleblower says" - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/trump-white-house-granted-25-people-security-clearances-over-objections-whistleblower.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/trump-white-house-granted-25... "Trump Ordered Officials to Give Jared Kushner a Security Clearance" - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner... "Background check chief has ‘never seen’ mistakes and omissions at level of Jared Kushner forms" - https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-backgr... It goes on and on... Here's one from today: "Justice department urged to investigate deletion of January 6 texts by Pentagon" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/03/jan-6-pentagon-deleted-texts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/03/jan-6-pentag...
- Fauntleroy 4y ago
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nyokodo 4y ago

> I guess I’ll take it over “her emails” and “his latest tweet” It’s not as cringe inducing but considerably worse in other respects. Wikipedia didn’t take sides in the definition of email or tweeting to benefit one party in those previous elections.

lalaland1125 4y ago
Did you look at the Wikipedia edit logs yourself or is that an impression you got secondhand from a partisan news source? If you look at the logs it's pretty clear that Wikipedia didn't take sides here.

albatross13 4y ago

helen___keller 4y ago
You’re entitled to your opinion but personally having it as a spotlight issue for months seemed like an utter waste of air to me
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  Especially with 1/100th the time and energy spent on most of the next administration using personal email / signal / other self-deleting apps to run the government. Utterly bizarre how "her emails" dominated the coverage for a cycle.
- hatware 4y ago
  It's only a waste of air if you don't understand the security implications.
  - albatross13 4y ago
    Or, to take it a step further, when you understand the financial implications. I'm not saying the clinton foundation and an email server with SAPs was a clever way to sell state secrets while maintaining plausible deniability...but the clinton foundation and an email server with SAPs was a clever way to sell state secrets while maintaining plausible deniability.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  It was a pretty blatant example of the privileges afforded to important, well-connected individuals. Ask anyone with a clearance what would happen to them if they repeatedly emailed TS information on an unaccredited system, and stored it on an unsecured personal server. People regularly go to jail for this, and anyone with a clearance is repeatedly briefed on the responsibilities that come with access to classified information.
  - archagon 4y ago
    It was complete bullshit, because once the other party got into power, they did the same, and much more, with nary a peep from the folks yelling their heads off about Clinton.
    - scottLobster 4y ago
      Who's they? You clearly don't work in a sector that requires clearance. By nature those fields tend to be more quiet publicly, but the cold rage against those who break security protocols knows no party. And it wasn't even like Snowden, who at least had a cause you could debate as Patriotic, it was just pure laziness and elitism on the part of those who are supposed to be our leaders
      - trs8080 4y ago
        "They" likely being "the other party" that got into power during that election. > You clearly don't work in a sector that requires clearance. By nature those fields tend to be more quiet publicly, but the cold rage against those who break security protocols knows no party. Does the POTUS count as working in a sector that requires clearance? "Trump downplays impact of massive hacking, questions Russia involvement" - https://www.reuters.com/article/cyber-breach/trump-downplays-impact-of-massive-hacking-questions-russia-involvement-idUSKBN28T0R1 https://www.reuters.com/article/cyber-breach/trump-downplays... "Trump revealed intelligence secrets to Russians in Oval Office: officials" - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-revealed-intelligence-secrets-to-russians-in-oval-office-officials-idUSKCN18B2MX https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-re... "National Archives: Trump took classified items to Mar-a-Lago" - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-national-security-9c1f6dca7e3e8073ee029604c8253a5c https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-national-... "Trump White House granted about 25 people security clearances over officials' objections, whistleblower says" - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/trump-white-house-granted-25-people-security-clearances-over-objections-whistleblower.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/trump-white-house-granted-25... "Trump Ordered Officials to Give Jared Kushner a Security Clearance" - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner... "Background check chief has ‘never seen’ mistakes and omissions at level of Jared Kushner forms" - https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-backgr... It goes on and on... Here's one from today: "Justice department urged to investigate deletion of January 6 texts by Pentagon" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/03/jan-6-pentagon-deleted-texts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/03/jan-6-pentag...
Fauntleroy 4y ago
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