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Well, in that case, everything is indirectly funded by debt

dijit 4y ago
That’s the gist of capitalism and why we have boom and bust cycles (in the short and long). Ray Dalios series on the topic of capitalism being funded by debt is quite approachable. https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0 https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0
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arcticbull 4y ago
Debt is where money comes from.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
  Money literally is debt, backed by debt.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Money isn't debt in and of itself, money represents the obligation to repay the debt that created it backed by the enforcement of society.
- samatman 4y ago
  I learned a lot from Graeber's book, this particular claim I later unlearned. If anyone would like to follow that lead, start here https://fermatslibrary.com/s/shelling-out-the-origins-of-money https://fermatslibrary.com/s/shelling-out-the-origins-of-mon... The tl;dr is that humanity has at least an 80,000 year history of goods which are fungible, collectible, portable, scarce, and made to an exact standard, traded between people who may not speak the same language for any other sort of trade good. The familiar example is wampum, but the practice predates the colonization of the Americas by many multiples. Debt is where state money comes from. But shell and hunk money is where states got it from, and the systems coexisted into the late 19th century.
shmatt 4y ago
Correct. Even the worlds richest man can't buy an internet company without going into debt (or crashing the stock which their "richness" is derived from) In the U.S at least, holding cash is considered the worst thing to do if you have wealth. Which then leads people to use debt
- rmbyrro 4y ago
  Anywhere in the world holding cash and cash-based investments is a bad idea. The government and banks will rip you off through inflation. You can use debt to benefit from inflation, but it also carry its risks.
- huijzer 4y ago
  Although Warren Buffet isn’t the richest, he surely can buy things with cash. In his last annual report, Berkshire reported 33 trillion in cash if I remember correctly. They didn’t find anything interesting to buy for a fair price so then they’ll just sit on their hands.
  - kwere 4y ago
    BRK had a liquidity of $144 billion at the end of 2021
  - SahAssar 4y ago
    33 trillion would be more than the current US debt. It'd be more than 10 times the market cap of the most valued company. It'd be more than the combined market cap of the 100 most valued companies globally (seems to be at around 32 trillion for all of them).

That’s the gist of capitalism and why we have boom and bust cycles (in the short and long). Ray Dalios series on the topic of capitalism being funded by debt is quite approachable. https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0 https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0

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arcticbull 4y ago

Debt is where money comes from.

TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
Money literally is debt, backed by debt.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Money isn't debt in and of itself, money represents the obligation to repay the debt that created it backed by the enforcement of society.
samatman 4y ago
I learned a lot from Graeber's book, this particular claim I later unlearned. If anyone would like to follow that lead, start here https://fermatslibrary.com/s/shelling-out-the-origins-of-money https://fermatslibrary.com/s/shelling-out-the-origins-of-mon... The tl;dr is that humanity has at least an 80,000 year history of goods which are fungible, collectible, portable, scarce, and made to an exact standard, traded between people who may not speak the same language for any other sort of trade good. The familiar example is wampum, but the practice predates the colonization of the Americas by many multiples. Debt is where state money comes from. But shell and hunk money is where states got it from, and the systems coexisted into the late 19th century.

shmatt 4y ago

Correct. Even the worlds richest man can't buy an internet company without going into debt (or crashing the stock which their "richness" is derived from) In the U.S at least, holding cash is considered the worst thing to do if you have wealth. Which then leads people to use debt

rmbyrro 4y ago
Anywhere in the world holding cash and cash-based investments is a bad idea. The government and banks will rip you off through inflation. You can use debt to benefit from inflation, but it also carry its risks.
huijzer 4y ago
Although Warren Buffet isn’t the richest, he surely can buy things with cash. In his last annual report, Berkshire reported 33 trillion in cash if I remember correctly. They didn’t find anything interesting to buy for a fair price so then they’ll just sit on their hands.
- kwere 4y ago
  BRK had a liquidity of $144 billion at the end of 2021
- SahAssar 4y ago
  33 trillion would be more than the current US debt. It'd be more than 10 times the market cap of the most valued company. It'd be more than the combined market cap of the 100 most valued companies globally (seems to be at around 32 trillion for all of them).