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TikTok is Big Tech. Neither will "kill off the whole planet", but it is so crazy to me that someone who can hate Facebook and the "US military surveillance indu

TikTok is Big Tech. Neither will "kill off the whole planet", but it is so crazy to me that someone who can hate Facebook and the "US military surveillance industrial complex" can consequentially support TikTok. You don't actually have a problem with big tech or surveillance, you have a problem with the US.

lizardactivist 4y ago
Of importance: it has been revealed several times that user identification and data collection has been used for malicious purposes by US intelligence agencies (see NSA and CIA leaks a few years ago) The same has not been proved for China. There have only been accusations by the US government, followed by an absolute reluctance and failure to provide any proof whatsoever. The US accuses China of being a bad actor engaging in data surveillance, refuses to back up accusations, and then commits the very same act themselves. The very definition of dishonesty and hypocrisy.
- bigtunacan 4y ago
  This isn't really news, many countries collect data on their own citizens in expanding ways. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/actually-most-countries-are-increasingly-spying-on-their-citizens-the-un-says/276614/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/ac... TikTok almost certainly receives requests from various governments to collect data no differently from Facebook/Google/Verizon etc.. I think it's not a question of if China is doing this as well; certainly they are. No politician is going to publicly say though, "Look we know China is collecting data on you from TikTok because, uh duh, that's what we do with all of your US based social media posts." I also don't think our government is all that directly concerned that China is monitoring. I think the concern is more on how the data and the outside control of the platform might be used to influence public opinions. Election tampering and the like.
- Apfel 4y ago
  There's an awful lot of cases of people being "disappeared" based on what they've said in WeChat group messages or friend feeds. Similarly, the PSBs in some cities have used social media contacts as a means of working out which foreign English teachers to do impromptu drug testing on.
throwaway4good 4y ago
Indeed. Here in Europe, the Chinese we can handle, for the US we have to bend the knee.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Against Chinese we have pretty good buffer zone. Same can't be said for a country that continues to murder innocent civilians around the world with drone strikes. And forcefully extradite foreigners...

lizardactivist 4y ago

Of importance: it has been revealed several times that user identification and data collection has been used for malicious purposes by US intelligence agencies (see NSA and CIA leaks a few years ago) The same has not been proved for China. There have only been accusations by the US government, followed by an absolute reluctance and failure to provide any proof whatsoever. The US accuses China of being a bad actor engaging in data surveillance, refuses to back up accusations, and then commits the very same act themselves. The very definition of dishonesty and hypocrisy.

bigtunacan 4y ago
This isn't really news, many countries collect data on their own citizens in expanding ways. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/actually-most-countries-are-increasingly-spying-on-their-citizens-the-un-says/276614/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/ac... TikTok almost certainly receives requests from various governments to collect data no differently from Facebook/Google/Verizon etc.. I think it's not a question of if China is doing this as well; certainly they are. No politician is going to publicly say though, "Look we know China is collecting data on you from TikTok because, uh duh, that's what we do with all of your US based social media posts." I also don't think our government is all that directly concerned that China is monitoring. I think the concern is more on how the data and the outside control of the platform might be used to influence public opinions. Election tampering and the like.
Apfel 4y ago
There's an awful lot of cases of people being "disappeared" based on what they've said in WeChat group messages or friend feeds. Similarly, the PSBs in some cities have used social media contacts as a means of working out which foreign English teachers to do impromptu drug testing on.

throwaway4good 4y ago

Indeed. Here in Europe, the Chinese we can handle, for the US we have to bend the knee.

Ekaros 4y ago
Against Chinese we have pretty good buffer zone. Same can't be said for a country that continues to murder innocent civilians around the world with drone strikes. And forcefully extradite foreigners...