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> You can still use cash if you want. A large number of stores around me, including some grocery stores, no longer take cash.

nobody9999 4y ago
>A large number of stores around me, including some grocery stores, no longer take cash. That's illegal where I live (New York City). I have no interest in outing/doxxing you, but if you'd care to share where you live, I'd love to know where that is -- so I can make sure never to go there.
- dTal 4y ago
  The Netherlands is almost entirely cashless now.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    Huh, I would have thought the Dutch would be especially keen for a right to pay in legal tender without middlemen...
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >The Netherlands is almost entirely cashless now. Not according to DeNederlandsche Bank[0]: "Consumers in the Netherlands can choose their preferred method of payment at most retailers. Although the use of cash at points of sale is declining, broad acceptance by retailers is also important – for example as a fall-back option in the event of POS terminal disruptions. The study, in which over 1,000 retailers participated, shows that cash is still the most widely accepted means of payment for point-of-sale transactions, at 97% (see Figure 1). Debit card payments are the next most popular payment method, with acceptance standing at 87%. There are substantial differences between individual sectors, however. Acceptance of cash and debit cards is the highest at petrol stations, large and small retailers, at >=98% and >=92%, respectively. It is the lowest in the entertainment sector, at 93% for cash and 80% for debit cards. A mere 3% of all retailers said they used a debit card-only policy, mostly for efficiency and security reasons." I'd also note that it was the non-acceptance of cash to which I was objecting, not the ability to use non-cash payment methods. Perhaps that's a difference that's too subtle, but I don't think so. [0] https://www.dnb.nl/en/general-news/2020/dutch-retailers-continue-to-accept-cash/ https://www.dnb.nl/en/general-news/2020/dutch-retailers-cont...
    - dTal 4y ago
      I visited TU Delft a few years ago, having unfortunately lost my debit card a few days prior. It was only a single overnight stay, so I just took a few hundred Euros cash with me and hoped for the best. It was a nightmare. Cash was wildly impractical to use. The first hurdle was the inability to buy a bus pass from the machine at the airport with cash. Hell, you couldn't even buy a coffee from a vending machine. With every restaurant I had to check beforehand to see if they would accept cash - and the vast majority didn't. I survived, but I'm glad it was only a day. I don't care if the stats say only 3% of retailers are cashless - in Delft, at least, if all you have in your pocket is a wad of cash, you are a second class citizen and barely able to function in society. If you don't agree, I suggest you try the experiment yourself :)
      - nobody9999 4y ago
        >If you don't agree, I suggest you try the experiment yourself :) I'll take you at your word. I guess it sucks to be you. I don't agree or disagree. Rather, DeNederlandsche Bank disagrees with your assessment. Take it up with them, I have no skin in that game.
- com2kid 4y ago
  I'm in Seattle. Technically the grocery store I am thinking off takes "cash" but only at registers that are perpetually closed. Maybe if someone made a huge fuss they would possibly open that register up. Local barber shop, also only accepts credit cards. At other stores, I've seen plenty of those self checkout terminals with the cash slot taped shut and a sign saying "card only", and of course no one is working the traditional checkout lanes.
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >I'm in Seattle. Interesting. I've visited there a bunch of times and never had an issue using cash. I have a bunch of family there and will ask them if they see the same thing (Seattle is a pretty big town). Do you care that stores make it hard to use cash? I'd expect that many folks in Seattle are "unbanked" and are often inconvenienced and/or excluded by such practices. Perhaps it's time for Seattle to move into the late 20th century[0] and require businesses to accept cash: "New York City Council member Ritchie Torres last week proposed legislation that would require all local businesses to accept cash in addition to credit cards and contactless payment methods. Massachusetts has required since 1978 that no retailer "shall discriminate against a cash buyer by requiring the use of credit." New Jersey lawmakers on Monday advanced a bill to ban cashless stores. Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. have also introduced bills that would require businesses to accept cash." The NYC legislation[1] mentioned above as a proposal was passed by the city council in 2020. [0] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cashless-retailers-penalize-the-poor-critics-say/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cashless-retailers-penalize-the... [1] https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3763665&GUID=7800AFC9-D8B1-41FD-9C31-172565712686 https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...
    - com2kid 4y ago
      It isn't a majority of stores or anything, however there are enough places that I've started to notice. I wonder if the move away from cash is an attempt to reduce the risk of theft, but I have no direct knowledge of the situation. Even the local (large, very large) Chinese supermarket is mostly cash-less. I presume technically they take cash, but every checkout line that is staffed says "card only".
helloworld11 4y ago
What country do you live in?
- com2kid 4y ago
  I'm in Seattle. I'm not saying every store is like this, but in a given week I'll hit up one or two stores that do not use cash.
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nobody9999 4y ago

>A large number of stores around me, including some grocery stores, no longer take cash. That's illegal where I live (New York City). I have no interest in outing/doxxing you, but if you'd care to share where you live, I'd love to know where that is -- so I can make sure never to go there.

dTal 4y ago
The Netherlands is almost entirely cashless now.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Huh, I would have thought the Dutch would be especially keen for a right to pay in legal tender without middlemen...
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >The Netherlands is almost entirely cashless now. Not according to DeNederlandsche Bank[0]: "Consumers in the Netherlands can choose their preferred method of payment at most retailers. Although the use of cash at points of sale is declining, broad acceptance by retailers is also important – for example as a fall-back option in the event of POS terminal disruptions. The study, in which over 1,000 retailers participated, shows that cash is still the most widely accepted means of payment for point-of-sale transactions, at 97% (see Figure 1). Debit card payments are the next most popular payment method, with acceptance standing at 87%. There are substantial differences between individual sectors, however. Acceptance of cash and debit cards is the highest at petrol stations, large and small retailers, at >=98% and >=92%, respectively. It is the lowest in the entertainment sector, at 93% for cash and 80% for debit cards. A mere 3% of all retailers said they used a debit card-only policy, mostly for efficiency and security reasons." I'd also note that it was the non-acceptance of cash to which I was objecting, not the ability to use non-cash payment methods. Perhaps that's a difference that's too subtle, but I don't think so. [0] https://www.dnb.nl/en/general-news/2020/dutch-retailers-continue-to-accept-cash/ https://www.dnb.nl/en/general-news/2020/dutch-retailers-cont...
  - dTal 4y ago
    I visited TU Delft a few years ago, having unfortunately lost my debit card a few days prior. It was only a single overnight stay, so I just took a few hundred Euros cash with me and hoped for the best. It was a nightmare. Cash was wildly impractical to use. The first hurdle was the inability to buy a bus pass from the machine at the airport with cash. Hell, you couldn't even buy a coffee from a vending machine. With every restaurant I had to check beforehand to see if they would accept cash - and the vast majority didn't. I survived, but I'm glad it was only a day. I don't care if the stats say only 3% of retailers are cashless - in Delft, at least, if all you have in your pocket is a wad of cash, you are a second class citizen and barely able to function in society. If you don't agree, I suggest you try the experiment yourself :)
    - nobody9999 4y ago
      >If you don't agree, I suggest you try the experiment yourself :) I'll take you at your word. I guess it sucks to be you. I don't agree or disagree. Rather, DeNederlandsche Bank disagrees with your assessment. Take it up with them, I have no skin in that game.
com2kid 4y ago
I'm in Seattle. Technically the grocery store I am thinking off takes "cash" but only at registers that are perpetually closed. Maybe if someone made a huge fuss they would possibly open that register up. Local barber shop, also only accepts credit cards. At other stores, I've seen plenty of those self checkout terminals with the cash slot taped shut and a sign saying "card only", and of course no one is working the traditional checkout lanes.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >I'm in Seattle. Interesting. I've visited there a bunch of times and never had an issue using cash. I have a bunch of family there and will ask them if they see the same thing (Seattle is a pretty big town). Do you care that stores make it hard to use cash? I'd expect that many folks in Seattle are "unbanked" and are often inconvenienced and/or excluded by such practices. Perhaps it's time for Seattle to move into the late 20th century[0] and require businesses to accept cash: "New York City Council member Ritchie Torres last week proposed legislation that would require all local businesses to accept cash in addition to credit cards and contactless payment methods. Massachusetts has required since 1978 that no retailer "shall discriminate against a cash buyer by requiring the use of credit." New Jersey lawmakers on Monday advanced a bill to ban cashless stores. Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. have also introduced bills that would require businesses to accept cash." The NYC legislation[1] mentioned above as a proposal was passed by the city council in 2020. [0] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cashless-retailers-penalize-the-poor-critics-say/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cashless-retailers-penalize-the... [1] https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3763665&GUID=7800AFC9-D8B1-41FD-9C31-172565712686 https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3...
  - com2kid 4y ago
    It isn't a majority of stores or anything, however there are enough places that I've started to notice. I wonder if the move away from cash is an attempt to reduce the risk of theft, but I have no direct knowledge of the situation. Even the local (large, very large) Chinese supermarket is mostly cash-less. I presume technically they take cash, but every checkout line that is staffed says "card only".

helloworld11 4y ago

What country do you live in?

com2kid 4y ago
I'm in Seattle. I'm not saying every store is like this, but in a given week I'll hit up one or two stores that do not use cash.

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