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The nuisance is an intentional choice by the bad actors in marketing to make you mad about the banner instead of their business practices of tracking you everyw

The nuisance is an intentional choice by the bad actors in marketing to make you mad about the banner instead of their business practices of tracking you everywhere. Understand that cookie banners are malicious compliance and they make a lot more sense.

jacamera 4y ago
Why should I be mad about a tracking cookie? > Understand that cookie banners are malicious compliance and they make a lot more sense. How are they malicious compliance? The laws are poorly-reasoned and poorly-written. I'll continue to be mad about that.
- haileys 4y ago
  There are no laws in Australia requiring cookie banners, and yet I get hit with them constantly. So the law is clearly not the reason for these annoying banners.
  - jacamera 4y ago
    So then why do you think you see them? *Edit: Sorry if this came off as rude but it was a legitimate question. I honestly cannot think of another plausible reason that would explain the proliferation of the banners.
  - lopatin 4y ago
    Which Australian sites require cookie opt-ins?
  - Zarel 4y ago
    The EU laws require the banners to be shown to all EU citizens regardless of the country they're in, right? I think the only way to be absolutely safe is to show cookie banners everywhere.
    - petre 4y ago
      No it doesn't. It stipulates that the site operators need informed consent to track you using cookies. So what they do is nag you with dark patterns to obtain it, creating an annoying experience.
    - closewith 4y ago
      No, it applies to EU residents, no matter their citizenship.
  - aneeshnl 4y ago
    Developer here. Its much easier and a lazy way to enable for everyone, rather than tracking ips, citizenship and show accordingly. Developers are lazy.
eyelidlessness 4y ago
This is an utterly annoying failure of legislation. The law could have mandated that a standardized mechanism to opt in (or even out!) would be implemented by major browsers and the relevant standards, providing APIs for websites to integrate. It could have even been about that vague and still be more effective and less counterproductive. The actual legislation invites this sort of abuse. Understanding that the abuse is intentional is a component of understanding the situation. But the blame for it doesn’t absolve the law, it implicates it. If the vague proposal I’m suggesting sounds outlandish, that’s more or less how every major browser implements other requests for intrusive APIs as a matter of protecting users. Even when they do it half-heartedly they do it by developing a standard with their more invested peers which is far less prone to universal abuse.
- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  I agree it was a weak legislation, but I think governments failed at the time to realize just how blatantly crooked the tech industry is, and is willing to be. I think it's taken a while but more aggressive actions are starting to be taken. Though ultimately I don't think we'll have straightened out Big Tech until we have laws on the books that let us put Pichai and Zuckerberg in prison. As long as their actions can be aspired to instead of a cautionary tale, more will follow in their footsteps.

jacamera 4y ago

Why should I be mad about a tracking cookie? > Understand that cookie banners are malicious compliance and they make a lot more sense. How are they malicious compliance? The laws are poorly-reasoned and poorly-written. I'll continue to be mad about that.

haileys 4y ago
There are no laws in Australia requiring cookie banners, and yet I get hit with them constantly. So the law is clearly not the reason for these annoying banners.
- jacamera 4y ago
  So then why do you think you see them? *Edit: Sorry if this came off as rude but it was a legitimate question. I honestly cannot think of another plausible reason that would explain the proliferation of the banners.
- lopatin 4y ago
  Which Australian sites require cookie opt-ins?
- Zarel 4y ago
  The EU laws require the banners to be shown to all EU citizens regardless of the country they're in, right? I think the only way to be absolutely safe is to show cookie banners everywhere.
  - petre 4y ago
    No it doesn't. It stipulates that the site operators need informed consent to track you using cookies. So what they do is nag you with dark patterns to obtain it, creating an annoying experience.
  - closewith 4y ago
    No, it applies to EU residents, no matter their citizenship.
- aneeshnl 4y ago
  Developer here. Its much easier and a lazy way to enable for everyone, rather than tracking ips, citizenship and show accordingly. Developers are lazy.

eyelidlessness 4y ago

This is an utterly annoying failure of legislation. The law could have mandated that a standardized mechanism to opt in (or even out!) would be implemented by major browsers and the relevant standards, providing APIs for websites to integrate. It could have even been about that vague and still be more effective and less counterproductive. The actual legislation invites this sort of abuse. Understanding that the abuse is intentional is a component of understanding the situation. But the blame for it doesn’t absolve the law, it implicates it. If the vague proposal I’m suggesting sounds outlandish, that’s more or less how every major browser implements other requests for intrusive APIs as a matter of protecting users. Even when they do it half-heartedly they do it by developing a standard with their more invested peers which is far less prone to universal abuse.

ocdtrekkie 4y ago
I agree it was a weak legislation, but I think governments failed at the time to realize just how blatantly crooked the tech industry is, and is willing to be. I think it's taken a while but more aggressive actions are starting to be taken. Though ultimately I don't think we'll have straightened out Big Tech until we have laws on the books that let us put Pichai and Zuckerberg in prison. As long as their actions can be aspired to instead of a cautionary tale, more will follow in their footsteps.