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I really like the serverless aspect. I still think nothing has the deployment story that PHP applications have. Just upload some source and your website is up.

themodelplumber 4y ago
Pixar should make a film called "Deployment Story" in which PHP is basically Woody (maybe it's even just the PHP stuffed elephant?), and Woody ends up in the box on the street, and then Woody's dev pal doesn't realize what they've really lost until some reflection is done. I'd watch that.
- thomaslangston 4y ago
  This reads better when reflection is used in both meanings.
- koolba 4y ago
  There has to be a Debian angle to this plot as well.
quickthrower2 4y ago
It is also JSX before JSX was invented too :-)
ed25519FUUU 4y ago
Do PHP applications really require no system packages for any use-cases?
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  What do you mean by system packages? There are PHP packages now and Composer. Though core and its bundled extensions are quite rich. So 3P packages aren't strictly necessary.
- lmm 4y ago
  PHP is pretty batteries-included, sometimes to a fault (it comes with things like 3 different MySQL drivers in the standard library). I'm sure there are cases where you'd want to install a C extension that depended on some system library, but I can't actually think of any right now.
  - asddubs 4y ago
    imagick for imagemagick is a common one. but yeah, you can go really far with just relying on php standard features
mekster 4y ago
Interestingly, that has been the case for 25 years or so now but none except perl was able to do that?
- dogleash 4y ago
  Perl's not unique in that way. Any language can talk cgi. That's literally the purpose of cgi. Perl was just the popular scripting language of the day. If you're using something other than cgi to get your httpd to talk to your webapp, your answer lies in understanding the architectural decisions of that tool.

themodelplumber 4y ago

Pixar should make a film called "Deployment Story" in which PHP is basically Woody (maybe it's even just the PHP stuffed elephant?), and Woody ends up in the box on the street, and then Woody's dev pal doesn't realize what they've really lost until some reflection is done. I'd watch that.

thomaslangston 4y ago
This reads better when reflection is used in both meanings.
koolba 4y ago
There has to be a Debian angle to this plot as well.

quickthrower2 4y ago

It is also JSX before JSX was invented too :-)

ed25519FUUU 4y ago

Do PHP applications really require no system packages for any use-cases?

paulryanrogers 4y ago
What do you mean by system packages? There are PHP packages now and Composer. Though core and its bundled extensions are quite rich. So 3P packages aren't strictly necessary.
lmm 4y ago
PHP is pretty batteries-included, sometimes to a fault (it comes with things like 3 different MySQL drivers in the standard library). I'm sure there are cases where you'd want to install a C extension that depended on some system library, but I can't actually think of any right now.
- asddubs 4y ago
  imagick for imagemagick is a common one. but yeah, you can go really far with just relying on php standard features

mekster 4y ago

Interestingly, that has been the case for 25 years or so now but none except perl was able to do that?

dogleash 4y ago
Perl's not unique in that way. Any language can talk cgi. That's literally the purpose of cgi. Perl was just the popular scripting language of the day. If you're using something other than cgi to get your httpd to talk to your webapp, your answer lies in understanding the architectural decisions of that tool.