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> This is much more complex, because you are asking the application to setup some sort of workflow - after it understands what you want it to do, it then has to

by omega3 4y ago

> This is much more complex, because you are asking the application to setup some sort of workflow - after it understands what you want it to do, it then has to work out how to execute that, which will be utilising the device API's / services. I don't see conceptually the difference between the first and the second example. You're still executing two distinct actions, first being the waiting for x amount of time?

dietr1ch 4y ago
The deferred execution makes this more complex as now the yet to be executed part needs to be queued somewhere It could be issuing a command in the same way you do the first, but probably most lights just support switching them on/off right now, and won't take a delay argument. So, if you can't just do the same you were doing, how do you do it? If there's some kind of local support, you can issue a delay command to some device in the network that will switch the lights on, but you still need to be able to control that action as the user might want to cancel or adjust the delay too. If the execution need to happen remotely because there's no local support, then you don't even know that you'll be able to reach the device in 5 minutes (Internet down, router not letting random connections in). And keeping this request queued needs some infra in the server side too together with the necessary APIs to allow adjusting and cancelling requests.
- hmryehbut 4y ago
  So it requires things software engineers do all the time. Where is the hard part?
- NLPlatypus 4y ago
  But you can apparently tell it “remember I put my keys upstairs”, and when you ask where your keys are, it tells you upstairs. There is storage going on already
- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  > If there's some kind of local support, you can issue a delay command to some device in the network that will switch the lights on, but you still need to be able to control that action as the user might want to cancel or adjust the delay too. I'm pretty sure there is some form of local support, at least for Google. Whne I last used it you had to choose a speaker that automations executed from
- Shorel 4y ago
  Just put everything in queues, even immediate things. The AI feeds the action queues, and another isolated component performs the actions, including delays and follow ups.
eru 4y ago
> You're still executing two distinct actions, first being the waiting for x amount of time? It's not a fixed amount of time. What if you rewind in the song a bit to catch something you missed in the lyrics?
ajnin 4y ago
It's not distinct, the second action depends on the first one being finished. I think this highlights that AI assistants are not really "I", they are good at doing fuzzy, hard to specify things like understanding speech, but there must still be an engine behind that interprets the text and transforms it into execution steps, and that must still be done by developers so it will be limited.

by omega3 4y ago

dietr1ch 4y ago

The deferred execution makes this more complex as now the yet to be executed part needs to be queued somewhere It could be issuing a command in the same way you do the first, but probably most lights just support switching them on/off right now, and won't take a delay argument. So, if you can't just do the same you were doing, how do you do it? If there's some kind of local support, you can issue a delay command to some device in the network that will switch the lights on, but you still need to be able to control that action as the user might want to cancel or adjust the delay too. If the execution need to happen remotely because there's no local support, then you don't even know that you'll be able to reach the device in 5 minutes (Internet down, router not letting random connections in). And keeping this request queued needs some infra in the server side too together with the necessary APIs to allow adjusting and cancelling requests.

hmryehbut 4y ago
So it requires things software engineers do all the time. Where is the hard part?
NLPlatypus 4y ago
But you can apparently tell it “remember I put my keys upstairs”, and when you ask where your keys are, it tells you upstairs. There is storage going on already
shepherdjerred 4y ago
> If there's some kind of local support, you can issue a delay command to some device in the network that will switch the lights on, but you still need to be able to control that action as the user might want to cancel or adjust the delay too. I'm pretty sure there is some form of local support, at least for Google. Whne I last used it you had to choose a speaker that automations executed from
Shorel 4y ago
Just put everything in queues, even immediate things. The AI feeds the action queues, and another isolated component performs the actions, including delays and follow ups.

eru 4y ago

> You're still executing two distinct actions, first being the waiting for x amount of time? It's not a fixed amount of time. What if you rewind in the song a bit to catch something you missed in the lyrics?

ajnin 4y ago

It's not distinct, the second action depends on the first one being finished. I think this highlights that AI assistants are not really "I", they are good at doing fuzzy, hard to specify things like understanding speech, but there must still be an engine behind that interprets the text and transforms it into execution steps, and that must still be done by developers so it will be limited.