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Yeah, my first thought was "Ok, but you are going to need to involve a graphical artist to actually really make use of that logo". Like you probably want a vect

Yeah, my first thought was "Ok, but you are going to need to involve a graphical artist to actually really make use of that logo". Like you probably want a vector version and you definitely need simplified versions for smaller sizes but then I stopped and realized how amazing this actually is. It "saved" (I know, it cost $30 but that's a steal for something like this) all the time and money you would have paid for iteration after iteration and let the author quickly hone in on what they wanted. As someone who is incredibly terrible at graphic design but knows what they like this could be a game changer as iterations of this technology progress. I can imagine going further than images and having AI/ML generate full HTML layouts in this iterative way where you start to define your vision for a website or app even and it spits out ideas/concepts that you can "lock" parts of it you like and let it regenerate the rest. I'm not downplaying designers role at all, I'd still go to one of them for the final design but to be able to wireframe using words/phrases and take a good idea of what I want would be amazing, especially for freelance/side-projects.

Theodores 4y ago
Nice ideas, great enthusiasm. I think your art/design/craft is pretty good. Some people use pencils, some use Adobe products, you have gone out there and tried the new Dall-E medium. Glad you thought out the usage, I am sure that when the novelty wears off that you will have that neat-as-octocat logo sorted out. I appreciate that you appreciate the value that highly skilled designers bring to a product with their visual expertise. However, I would like to see you A/B test the Dall E logo versus the winning designer logo. You could show odd IP addresses one logo and even addresses the other. I think the designer would edge the robot for what you need (a logo), however, the proof is in the pudding and conversion rate.
moffkalast 4y ago
Honestly though the hard part is the actual design which is already done here. Learning to vectorize a raster is something that can be done in a weekend with Inkscape, there's no reason to involve an actual graphics designer with this anymore.
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 4y ago
  Time value of money. The most optimal use of money and time would be getting the ML to iterate until you have the finished product, then get a designer to vectorise it and fix it up. That way you pay the designer for one iteration and spend all the time you would have spent iterating with the designer iterating with the ML model instead.
- wingerlang 4y ago
  > Learning to vectorize a raster is something that can be done in a weekend with Inkscape, there's no reason to involve an actual graphics designer with this anymore. If you lined up 100 resulting images, 99 from weekend beginners and 1 from an actual artist. I guarantee you that you would pick out the artist every time. It might be simple to trace over an image but you are probably better getting an artist to spend 2 hours on it, it will most likely look better than 2 weeks of tracing.
- flycaliguy 4y ago
  I think you might be underestimating how much work goes into the last mile of a design. A lot of refinement work goes into typography in particular, a domain Dall-E isn’t yet proficient in at all.
pjgalbraith 4y ago
Plus there is no reason why someone couldn't build a specialised AI model to do vectorisation and another to generate simplified versions of vectors. People are already doing by combining DALL-E 2 with gfpgan for face restoration. So there may be a role in understanding how to combine these tools effectively.

Theodores 4y ago

Nice ideas, great enthusiasm. I think your art/design/craft is pretty good. Some people use pencils, some use Adobe products, you have gone out there and tried the new Dall-E medium. Glad you thought out the usage, I am sure that when the novelty wears off that you will have that neat-as-octocat logo sorted out. I appreciate that you appreciate the value that highly skilled designers bring to a product with their visual expertise. However, I would like to see you A/B test the Dall E logo versus the winning designer logo. You could show odd IP addresses one logo and even addresses the other. I think the designer would edge the robot for what you need (a logo), however, the proof is in the pudding and conversion rate.

moffkalast 4y ago

Honestly though the hard part is the actual design which is already done here. Learning to vectorize a raster is something that can be done in a weekend with Inkscape, there's no reason to involve an actual graphics designer with this anymore.

AA-BA-94-2A-56 4y ago
Time value of money. The most optimal use of money and time would be getting the ML to iterate until you have the finished product, then get a designer to vectorise it and fix it up. That way you pay the designer for one iteration and spend all the time you would have spent iterating with the designer iterating with the ML model instead.
wingerlang 4y ago
> Learning to vectorize a raster is something that can be done in a weekend with Inkscape, there's no reason to involve an actual graphics designer with this anymore. If you lined up 100 resulting images, 99 from weekend beginners and 1 from an actual artist. I guarantee you that you would pick out the artist every time. It might be simple to trace over an image but you are probably better getting an artist to spend 2 hours on it, it will most likely look better than 2 weeks of tracing.
flycaliguy 4y ago
I think you might be underestimating how much work goes into the last mile of a design. A lot of refinement work goes into typography in particular, a domain Dall-E isn’t yet proficient in at all.

pjgalbraith 4y ago

Plus there is no reason why someone couldn't build a specialised AI model to do vectorisation and another to generate simplified versions of vectors. People are already doing by combining DALL-E 2 with gfpgan for face restoration. So there may be a role in understanding how to combine these tools effectively.