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I suspect it will be much, much worse, for USAians anyway. So many companies have now moved almost fully remote and are looking at their payroll thinking - "Why
by r_hoods_ghost 4y ago
I suspect it will be much, much worse, for USAians anyway. So many companies have now moved almost fully remote and are looking at their payroll thinking - "Why am I paying an American dev $100,000+ when I can pay a European $50,000, or someone from the developing world $25,000?" Great for devs in the rest of the world of course.
- dvngnt_ 4y agooutsourcing isn't new. it just doesn't work often requiring rework
- Salgat 4y agoCEOs have been clamoring to outsource devs since the 90s. I'll let you guess how that's worked so far.
- snapetom 4y agoYou're going to be shocked at prices these days. Paying some poor soul from some poverty stricken developing country, and expect them to be grateful for just a job, is an archaic notion. In Latin America, the price is near US levels thanks to companies like Amazon heavily investing there these past 5 years or so. Salary at intermediate and above prices are nearly on par with US skill levels, but you do save on employment taxes so there's that.
- r_hoods_ghost 4y agoUh huh... This is just wrong. So the median Brazilian dev salary is 58000 BRL or about $22000 USD [1] The median US dev salary is $73900 using the same search criteria on the same site. In the UK it is $37000. I'm in the UK and this passes the sniff test as a median base salary. Obviously it's more if you're in certain industries or work for certain companies (faangs). US software developers are massively overpayed compared to devs internationally. Devs in the Bay Area are massively overpayed compared to devs in the rest of the USA. You all just haven't realised this yet. [1]https://www.payscale.com/research/BR/Job=Software_Developer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/BR/Job=Software_Developer/...
- snapetom 4y agoYou're leveraging historically bad pound/dollar conversion rates to get that figure. In general, US salaries are higher because of the lack of social services. $37k for a UK dev, I don't buy. I worked with Belgian devs, intermediate to senior, ten years ago and they were at $60k/year. Regardless, that site has some very problematic data. Maybe Brazil does have a lower cost compared to other South American countries, but that site is also claiming Argentinian devs making 3700 USD per year, which is ludicrous. We can't attract even junior ones for any less than 5k per month.
- r_hoods_ghost 4y agoAnd you're not showing any data at all. Please show some that shows devs in the USA aren't over compensated relative to the rest of the world. Until you do I will assume you are just using anecdata because you want to pretend that what? US devs don't get paid more than devs in the rest of the world? Why?
- snapetom 4y ago> And you're not showing any data at all. And your payscale site is so far off, it can't be called data. > US devs don't get paid more than devs in the rest of the world? How in the world did you come to that conclusion? My only point is that your claim of cheap foreign labor comes from Western privilege.
- r_hoods_ghost 4y agoNo, it really doesn't. Your denial that Westerners, and especially Americans, get paid more than people in the developing world is western privilege.
- nerdawson 4y agoI’m based in the UK but always worked for US companies. Speaking to a British company recently and they were trying to hire for a senior web dev role at £40k (<$50,000) I found that surprising to say the least given that even entry level dev roles in the US pay more than that. Lesson of the story: embrace remote work.
- Apocryphon 4y agoTime zones are going to be an issue, unless companies start doing nocturnal hours to stay in sync with staff in Eurasia.