Ok, I think I follow. If I might rephrase, you are talking about the difference between philosophical libertarians vs. reflexive "don't tread on me" libertarian

Ok, I think I follow. If I might rephrase, you are talking about the difference between philosophical libertarians vs. reflexive "don't tread on me" libertarians, correct? > The little (l) libertarians in the US are, recently in the age of Trumpism, conservatives embarrassed with the GOP as a conservative party and their support for authoritarianism/traditionalism. I find it interesting when people associate Trumpism with authoritarianism, when it was the pre-Trump GOP establishment that brought us a great many foreign wars and the Patriot Act. Trump is a populist, and there's a long history of friendly relations between libertarians and populists (e.g. the Rothbard/Buchanon alliance) though I recognize many libertarians also despise populism. The Mises caucus, which is currently in control of the Libertarian party, follows in the Rothbardian strain.