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Which is more diverse: 1. Admiting a black boy who is living with both parents and who have a net worth of over $100 million 2. Admitting a white boy who grew

Which is more diverse: 1. Admiting a black boy who is living with both parents and who have a net worth of over $100 million 2. Admitting a white boy who grew up in poverty in Appalachia and lived in a single parent household

rac1smb4D 4y ago
Black Boy, but who's more deserving on same score? The white boy
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Mind explaining why the black boy is more diverse? Is race the only thing that makes somebody diverse?
  - rac1smb4D 4y ago
    > Mind explaining why the black boy is more diverse? Because of the US History of subjugation of African Americans that includes the horrors of slavery. > Is race the only thing that makes somebody diverse? Nope, but is this context of elite US university, race is the only factor for diversity to undo past crimes on black people and their exclusion form only only these elite universities but all universities.
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      It seems to me that a rich black person is less diverse. They grew up in a good area, had two parents and are wealthy. Isn't that a huge chunk of the existing Yale demographic? The only difference is race. In 100 years after more and more whites and Asians are denied positions they rightfully earned, should we reverse the races that get rejected due to their race? Blacks can then be rejected or do blacks get preferential treatment forever?
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svnpenn 4y ago
False choice. The article is about racial diversity, as is my comment. Economic diversity is important as well. You don't have to have one or the other, you can have both. Unless the school is only admitting one person per year, as in your scenario. Please don't try to distort the issue.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  First, schools have a limited number of admissions so they may very well have to choose in a situation like this. This is not strictly about racial diversity. The article also mentions ethnic diversity so it is clearly more than just race. They explicitly mentioned socioeconomic situations as well. > In their amicus brief, Yale and the other schools said that during their admissions processes, they obtain and review extensive information regarding each applicant’s life experiences, accomplishments, talents, interests, and goals. That information includes an applicant’s socioeconomic background, parental education level, whether languages other than English are spoken in the home, educational experiences, military service, leadership skills, “and all the other intangible characteristics that are crucial to ascertaining how an applicant will contribute to the university community.” They are clearly also looking at socioeconomic situations along with race. Maybe you should take your own advice: "Please don't try to distort the issue."
  - svnpenn 4y ago
    so what is your argument? or do you even have one? The schools seem to want to be able to use race, IN ADDITION to other factors. What is the problem?
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      My argument is if you want to help disadvantaged people you can't look at race. The race of a person does not determine how good their life is and doesn't tell you anything about their privilege. A black person with a large amount of wealth is almost certainly in a more privileged situation than a poor white who is addicted to fentanyl. Why should the white person be put at a partial disadvantage because of his skin color? Looking at his skin color will do nothing to tell you about their situation.

rac1smb4D 4y ago

Black Boy, but who's more deserving on same score? The white boy

_-david-_ 4y ago
Mind explaining why the black boy is more diverse? Is race the only thing that makes somebody diverse?
- rac1smb4D 4y ago
  > Mind explaining why the black boy is more diverse? Because of the US History of subjugation of African Americans that includes the horrors of slavery. > Is race the only thing that makes somebody diverse? Nope, but is this context of elite US university, race is the only factor for diversity to undo past crimes on black people and their exclusion form only only these elite universities but all universities.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    It seems to me that a rich black person is less diverse. They grew up in a good area, had two parents and are wealthy. Isn't that a huge chunk of the existing Yale demographic? The only difference is race. In 100 years after more and more whites and Asians are denied positions they rightfully earned, should we reverse the races that get rejected due to their race? Blacks can then be rejected or do blacks get preferential treatment forever?

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svnpenn 4y ago

False choice. The article is about racial diversity, as is my comment. Economic diversity is important as well. You don't have to have one or the other, you can have both. Unless the school is only admitting one person per year, as in your scenario. Please don't try to distort the issue.

_-david-_ 4y ago
First, schools have a limited number of admissions so they may very well have to choose in a situation like this. This is not strictly about racial diversity. The article also mentions ethnic diversity so it is clearly more than just race. They explicitly mentioned socioeconomic situations as well. > In their amicus brief, Yale and the other schools said that during their admissions processes, they obtain and review extensive information regarding each applicant’s life experiences, accomplishments, talents, interests, and goals. That information includes an applicant’s socioeconomic background, parental education level, whether languages other than English are spoken in the home, educational experiences, military service, leadership skills, “and all the other intangible characteristics that are crucial to ascertaining how an applicant will contribute to the university community.” They are clearly also looking at socioeconomic situations along with race. Maybe you should take your own advice: "Please don't try to distort the issue."
- svnpenn 4y ago
  so what is your argument? or do you even have one? The schools seem to want to be able to use race, IN ADDITION to other factors. What is the problem?
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    My argument is if you want to help disadvantaged people you can't look at race. The race of a person does not determine how good their life is and doesn't tell you anything about their privilege. A black person with a large amount of wealth is almost certainly in a more privileged situation than a poor white who is addicted to fentanyl. Why should the white person be put at a partial disadvantage because of his skin color? Looking at his skin color will do nothing to tell you about their situation.