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You missed out an important step * HNers, redditors and TikTokers somehow always believe the user's side of the story even though they have absolutely no clue

You missed out an important step * HNers, redditors and TikTokers somehow always believe the user's side of the story even though they have absolutely no clue about the context or the integrity of the complainer because pitchfork and anti-corp is always the default stance rather than due process on social media

OrangeMonkey 4y ago
You are not wrong at all. That said - I would only state that myself, and more than a few users here I imagine, have been in situations where we did nothing untoward and were banned, suspended, had a corporate automatic system take negative action for us that was undeserved. I think most folks are willing to assume a corporate "banality of evil" because they have seen it. You are 100% right though, this could be warranted.
HelloNurse 4y ago
In general, this point of view has some merit; but this is Oracle.
josephcsible 4y ago
If you get sued and don't bother to show up to court, the judge will take the other side's word as gospel and you'll lose with a default judgment against you. This isn't unfair, though. Similarly, since these companies never give their side of the story, I see nothing unfair about assuming they're in the wrong.
- deltree7 4y ago
  Actually companies absolutely should take that path. Society deserves Trump and Musk way of dealing with public instead of being professional and courteous. Oracle should absolutely out the guys whom they suspend because they have kiddie porn or did illegal transactions on their site or break terms of services. Seeing Musk and Trump's success, one bold company will do it and will be enormously successful in deploying an army of cults against the Karens of the world. As they say, you can't bring a knife to a gun's fight
  - vlovich123 4y ago
    It sounds good but in practice it's a no win situation though. Going to war with current and/or former customers can make you look worse than saying nothing. Also, I don't know if I would put Trump and Musk up as model ways of responding to criticism vs just straight up using their money and power to bully those people away.

OrangeMonkey 4y ago

You are not wrong at all. That said - I would only state that myself, and more than a few users here I imagine, have been in situations where we did nothing untoward and were banned, suspended, had a corporate automatic system take negative action for us that was undeserved. I think most folks are willing to assume a corporate "banality of evil" because they have seen it. You are 100% right though, this could be warranted.

HelloNurse 4y ago

In general, this point of view has some merit; but this is Oracle.

josephcsible 4y ago

If you get sued and don't bother to show up to court, the judge will take the other side's word as gospel and you'll lose with a default judgment against you. This isn't unfair, though. Similarly, since these companies never give their side of the story, I see nothing unfair about assuming they're in the wrong.

deltree7 4y ago
Actually companies absolutely should take that path. Society deserves Trump and Musk way of dealing with public instead of being professional and courteous. Oracle should absolutely out the guys whom they suspend because they have kiddie porn or did illegal transactions on their site or break terms of services. Seeing Musk and Trump's success, one bold company will do it and will be enormously successful in deploying an army of cults against the Karens of the world. As they say, you can't bring a knife to a gun's fight
- vlovich123 4y ago
  It sounds good but in practice it's a no win situation though. Going to war with current and/or former customers can make you look worse than saying nothing. Also, I don't know if I would put Trump and Musk up as model ways of responding to criticism vs just straight up using their money and power to bully those people away.