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I think considering race is fine, depending on how you use that information. If you use it to make the group less diverse, that is bad. If you use it to make th
by svnpenn 4y ago
I think considering race is fine, depending on how you use that information. If you use it to make the group less diverse, that is bad. If you use it to make the group more diverse, that is good.
Does that mean that some students with higher grades/income/whatever get excluded? Yes. However grades shouldn't be the only factor in this decision. It seems that the schools are taking a holistic approach to admittance, and I support that. Granted with the Loughlin situation, school admittance practices should certainly be scrutinized. However it seems they might be on the right side at least on this one specific issue.
- tomrod 4y agoI have a few other comments in this thread on this. Can you define what you mean by diversity (background or thought or something else)? Also, how do you measure its improvement? My speculation is that, because these are hard terms to nail down but easy to say, this becomes a perennial topic.
- Lendal 4y agoI would define diversity as a representative sample of the population and time in which the organization is situated. In this case, the US 2020 census. If it's good enough for the US Constitution and for Congressional representation, it's good enough for Yale. Maybe this was difficult to nail down in 1791 but not so much today. It doesn't have to be perennial. Once every 10 years is sufficient.
- tomrod 4y agoSo, diversity := statistically similar to joint distribution of population demographics.
- hackerlight 4y agoSo let's admit some old Republicans? Oh wait...
- _-david-_ 4y agoWhich is more diverse: 1. Admiting a black boy who is living with both parents and who have a net worth of over $100 million 2. Admitting a white boy who grew up in poverty in Appalachia and lived in a single parent household
- rac1smb4D 4y agoBlack Boy, but who's more deserving on same score? The white boy
- _-david-_ 4y agoMind explaining why the black boy is more diverse? Is race the only thing that makes somebody diverse?
- rac1smb4D 4y ago> Mind explaining why the black boy is more diverse? Because of the US History of subjugation of African Americans that includes the horrors of slavery. > Is race the only thing that makes somebody diverse? Nope, but is this context of elite US university, race is the only factor for diversity to undo past crimes on black people and their exclusion form only only these elite universities but all universities.
- _-david-_ 4y agoIt seems to me that a rich black person is less diverse. They grew up in a good area, had two parents and are wealthy. Isn't that a huge chunk of the existing Yale demographic? The only difference is race. In 100 years after more and more whites and Asians are denied positions they rightfully earned, should we reverse the races that get rejected due to their race? Blacks can then be rejected or do blacks get preferential treatment forever?
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