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This reply is so surreal. Pointing out blatant sexism is "being offended by everything all at once", but old men being discriminated against isn't? Not to menti

This reply is so surreal. Pointing out blatant sexism is "being offended by everything all at once", but old men being discriminated against isn't? Not to mention the amount of condescension that just proves the original point.

CRConrad 4y ago
> Pointing out blatant sexism is "being offended by everything all at once", but old men being discriminated against isn't? A more charitable reading is ~ "This discussion is about one problem; let's not drag another one into it". I just recently saw the same thing on LinkedIn[1]: a Finnish guy complaining about how, in another thread he had started on how his dark-skinned wife had been racially abused in Poland, some (Finns, apparently) had whatabaouted the discussion into "there's racism in Finland too!", and when he'd tried to explain that "Sure, but this thread isn't about that", he was accused of "derailing the discussion". No, he wasn't: they were. And so, IMO, are you here. ___ [1]: That really has become much more "typical social media" recently, hasn't it? Can't recall seeing such general -- i.e. not directly work-related -- discussions there even a year or two ago.
- Kaze404 4y ago
  Asking for a discussion to be focused on one particular problem is fine in my opinion. But I think we can both agree that "Don't you find it exhausting being offended by everything all at once?" isn't exactly the best way to say that, to put it mildly, without even taking into consideration the condescending and infantilizing comment that came right after.
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    > But I think we can both agree that [...] isn't exactly the best way to say that That's why it takes some charity to read it that way. :-)
Tr3nton 4y ago
You're surreal. The history of computing is mostly men. This isn't a moral judgment or denigration of women, it's history. Even today, women don't pursue tech to the extent that men do, even with aggressive efforts to curtail this. I imagine you see any discrepancy anywhere as proof of some oppresive -ism, and I imagine you want nature to conform to your Lysenkoist utopian ideals. You're a drag.
- schiem 4y ago
  What an odd rebuttal. "This field isn't sexist, it's just so toxic towards women that none of them want to be a part of it." The gender gap isn't inherent, both India and China have a nearly equal percentage of men and women in computer science. The gap seems to be a mostly western phenomenon.
  - rajin444 4y ago
    How do you know a 50/50 split is correct? Given the genetic differences between sexes a 50/50 split seems very unnatural and forced to me. To put it another way, why don’t we have an issue with the number of men and women in the NFL?
- Kaze404 4y ago
  There sure is a lot of imagining going on here, that's for sure.
- dabraham1248 4y ago
  We read different history books. In the 40s, the 6 people hired to program the ENIAC were all female. google "ENIAC girls". _Cosmopolitan_ ran articles about how programming was one of the few professional fields open to women. Managers thought that programming was basically just typing, so they hired women. But then people started to realize it was more than just typing. So as the field started to get prestige in the mid 60s, companies started to look for things like college degrees and "personality tests", both of which were biased towards men.
  - 4y ago

CRConrad 4y ago

> Pointing out blatant sexism is "being offended by everything all at once", but old men being discriminated against isn't? A more charitable reading is ~ "This discussion is about one problem; let's not drag another one into it". I just recently saw the same thing on LinkedIn[1]: a Finnish guy complaining about how, in another thread he had started on how his dark-skinned wife had been racially abused in Poland, some (Finns, apparently) had whatabaouted the discussion into "there's racism in Finland too!", and when he'd tried to explain that "Sure, but this thread isn't about that", he was accused of "derailing the discussion". No, he wasn't: they were. And so, IMO, are you here. ___ [1]: That really has become much more "typical social media" recently, hasn't it? Can't recall seeing such general -- i.e. not directly work-related -- discussions there even a year or two ago.

Kaze404 4y ago
Asking for a discussion to be focused on one particular problem is fine in my opinion. But I think we can both agree that "Don't you find it exhausting being offended by everything all at once?" isn't exactly the best way to say that, to put it mildly, without even taking into consideration the condescending and infantilizing comment that came right after.
- CRConrad 4y ago
  > But I think we can both agree that [...] isn't exactly the best way to say that That's why it takes some charity to read it that way. :-)

Tr3nton 4y ago

You're surreal. The history of computing is mostly men. This isn't a moral judgment or denigration of women, it's history. Even today, women don't pursue tech to the extent that men do, even with aggressive efforts to curtail this. I imagine you see any discrepancy anywhere as proof of some oppresive -ism, and I imagine you want nature to conform to your Lysenkoist utopian ideals. You're a drag.

schiem 4y ago
What an odd rebuttal. "This field isn't sexist, it's just so toxic towards women that none of them want to be a part of it." The gender gap isn't inherent, both India and China have a nearly equal percentage of men and women in computer science. The gap seems to be a mostly western phenomenon.
- rajin444 4y ago
  How do you know a 50/50 split is correct? Given the genetic differences between sexes a 50/50 split seems very unnatural and forced to me. To put it another way, why don’t we have an issue with the number of men and women in the NFL?
Kaze404 4y ago
There sure is a lot of imagining going on here, that's for sure.
dabraham1248 4y ago
We read different history books. In the 40s, the 6 people hired to program the ENIAC were all female. google "ENIAC girls". _Cosmopolitan_ ran articles about how programming was one of the few professional fields open to women. Managers thought that programming was basically just typing, so they hired women. But then people started to realize it was more than just typing. So as the field started to get prestige in the mid 60s, companies started to look for things like college degrees and "personality tests", both of which were biased towards men.
- 4y ago