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Why would being from Turkey have an effect in this situation?

dimitrios1 4y ago
For the exact same reason being from Russia would. Hostile, unpredictable, militaristic country, ran by a wanna-be dictator, committed to an active invasion of another country's sovereign territory. (My point is those two tend to go hand and hand: higher percentage of unwanted traffic originates from authoritarian lands still engaging in 19th century style barbarism.)
- bombcar 4y ago
  Unlikely any of that, and more likely that a large percentage of their "unauthorized usage" comes from the country. Companies find it easier to simply block or restrict access from certain countries because it's "more hassle than it's worth".
  - stunpix 4y ago
    I would like to support your opinion here. I’ve been a beta-tester for one bank as well as I've been reading it’s CEO's blog where he was occasionally explaining what stays behind their decisions as a bank and I had learned a bit from their back stage. When you as a company (especially financial one) is serving thousands or millions of customers you must have/rely on statistics with a heuristic to detect fraudulent or an abusing customers. Also you have to decide whether you will have any troubles by giving a loan to a particular person. Such heuristic systems are scoring using hundreds (if not thousands) parameters like age, marriage status, sex, whether you believer or not, what is your smartphone (e.g. according to bank's statistics Android users are tending to not return credits more ofter) and so on… What’s most important: banks will never disclosure what has lead them to their decision like to decline in a credit line. Just to avoid further cheating with their heuristic systems. I believe the author had become a victim of such heuristic which is likely had detected something unusual, then it considered his profile + recent connections (perhaps he had specified a different country than Turkey), and finally «free tier» had added some alarming amount to scoring. Otherwise I can't explain why support had wrapped up a chatting so quickly and unfriendly. For me everything points out on that there was a distinct reason for them to cease his account and they won't like to disclosure it in any way.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  > Hostile, unpredictable, militaristic country, ran by a wanna-be dictator, committed to an active invasion of another country's sovereign territory. Just imagine living in America in 2003 with 9/11 fresh on everyone's minds. Were you there? Do you remember the mindset of adult Americans in 2003? What did the US military do in 2003? What did the average CNN-watching American feel and want? I remember well. We wanted to bulldoze Saddam Hussein and his "Axis of Evil" because terrorism. We wanted to raze Iraq to the ground as revenge for "harboring terrorism" and "WMDs" which were about to be unleashed upon our friends. Americans were in a complete frenzy, psychosis, and out for blood. Do you remember? I remember soldiers wanting nothing more than to "take out those stupid rag heads." Did the occupation ever end? Did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? Did anyone suffer the consequences of the invasions back in America besides the Americans killed overseas? Do you think Russians are not actively being brainwashed by their government to support a war like the Americans were for their wars? Think again. The media is more powerful than ANY WMD because it perpetually and incessantly corrupts the minds of its viewers.
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    I remember people doing daily protests against the war and organizing large demonstrations. There was a lot of support for that war, but that support was far from unanimous, especially on the grassroots level. I do not remember any supporters of the war who I knew personally who wanted to raze Iraq to the ground and, as I recall, the antipathy was more directed at the Saddam regime and not the Iraqi nation. Your overall point is valid, whitewashing enter nations with a single brush is inaccurate and unfair. However, you are doing the exact thing you are trying to criticize.
    - sozforex 4y ago
      There were at least 16k detainments [^1] of anti-war protesters in Russia since the start of the invasion, most of them in the first month of the invasion if I remember correctly. Somewhere in the first 2 months it became more risky to protest the war - fines starting at 50k rubles (~1 median monthly salary) and the risk of criminal persecution increased (in addition a high risk of being fired from a job). [^1]: https://data.ovdinfo.org/anti-military-events-report https://data.ovdinfo.org/anti-military-events-report
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RajT88 4y ago
Allegedly Turkey has a lot of fraud. Many years back, a guy who worked where I worked at the time (we'll say, Company A) left and formed a competing company (Company B). It was OK, nobody really considered it real competition. He was a colorful individual, and so his official company blog contained a lot of screeds about personal gripes. This gentleman was Turkish, which becomes important in a second. One such a saga came when a Turkish company (Company C) tried to buy their product. They refused to process the transaction, and a company representative literally over email told them to go F themselves, saying it's company policy to not do business with Turkey or Turkish people (again, the founder being Turkish) because of the huge amounts of fraud from that country. The spurned customer posted their version of events on their company blog too. It was a great time to work at Company A. This saga was our Friday cafeteria chatter.
Shorel 4y ago
Every company that does international business has a table that ranks problematic countries, some where they don't do business, or some where they do with proper preparation, or some where they do business with some caveats. The list would include descriptions like: "officials routinely expect bribery to perform their normal duties", "has armed conflict, travel is restricted", or simply "very high inflation, only accept USD and EUR". Only countries not in the list are considered open to do business normally. Turkey would be part of that list, with some danger level.

For the exact same reason being from Russia would. Hostile, unpredictable, militaristic country, ran by a wanna-be dictator, committed to an active invasion of another country's sovereign territory. (My point is those two tend to go hand and hand: higher percentage of unwanted traffic originates from authoritarian lands still engaging in 19th century style barbarism.)

bombcar 4y ago
Unlikely any of that, and more likely that a large percentage of their "unauthorized usage" comes from the country. Companies find it easier to simply block or restrict access from certain countries because it's "more hassle than it's worth".
- stunpix 4y ago
  I would like to support your opinion here. I’ve been a beta-tester for one bank as well as I've been reading it’s CEO's blog where he was occasionally explaining what stays behind their decisions as a bank and I had learned a bit from their back stage. When you as a company (especially financial one) is serving thousands or millions of customers you must have/rely on statistics with a heuristic to detect fraudulent or an abusing customers. Also you have to decide whether you will have any troubles by giving a loan to a particular person. Such heuristic systems are scoring using hundreds (if not thousands) parameters like age, marriage status, sex, whether you believer or not, what is your smartphone (e.g. according to bank's statistics Android users are tending to not return credits more ofter) and so on… What’s most important: banks will never disclosure what has lead them to their decision like to decline in a credit line. Just to avoid further cheating with their heuristic systems. I believe the author had become a victim of such heuristic which is likely had detected something unusual, then it considered his profile + recent connections (perhaps he had specified a different country than Turkey), and finally «free tier» had added some alarming amount to scoring. Otherwise I can't explain why support had wrapped up a chatting so quickly and unfriendly. For me everything points out on that there was a distinct reason for them to cease his account and they won't like to disclosure it in any way.
orangepurple 4y ago
> Hostile, unpredictable, militaristic country, ran by a wanna-be dictator, committed to an active invasion of another country's sovereign territory. Just imagine living in America in 2003 with 9/11 fresh on everyone's minds. Were you there? Do you remember the mindset of adult Americans in 2003? What did the US military do in 2003? What did the average CNN-watching American feel and want? I remember well. We wanted to bulldoze Saddam Hussein and his "Axis of Evil" because terrorism. We wanted to raze Iraq to the ground as revenge for "harboring terrorism" and "WMDs" which were about to be unleashed upon our friends. Americans were in a complete frenzy, psychosis, and out for blood. Do you remember? I remember soldiers wanting nothing more than to "take out those stupid rag heads." Did the occupation ever end? Did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? Did anyone suffer the consequences of the invasions back in America besides the Americans killed overseas? Do you think Russians are not actively being brainwashed by their government to support a war like the Americans were for their wars? Think again. The media is more powerful than ANY WMD because it perpetually and incessantly corrupts the minds of its viewers.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  I remember people doing daily protests against the war and organizing large demonstrations. There was a lot of support for that war, but that support was far from unanimous, especially on the grassroots level. I do not remember any supporters of the war who I knew personally who wanted to raze Iraq to the ground and, as I recall, the antipathy was more directed at the Saddam regime and not the Iraqi nation. Your overall point is valid, whitewashing enter nations with a single brush is inaccurate and unfair. However, you are doing the exact thing you are trying to criticize.
  - sozforex 4y ago
    There were at least 16k detainments [^1] of anti-war protesters in Russia since the start of the invasion, most of them in the first month of the invasion if I remember correctly. Somewhere in the first 2 months it became more risky to protest the war - fines starting at 50k rubles (~1 median monthly salary) and the risk of criminal persecution increased (in addition a high risk of being fired from a job). [^1]: https://data.ovdinfo.org/anti-military-events-report https://data.ovdinfo.org/anti-military-events-report
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RajT88 4y ago

Allegedly Turkey has a lot of fraud. Many years back, a guy who worked where I worked at the time (we'll say, Company A) left and formed a competing company (Company B). It was OK, nobody really considered it real competition. He was a colorful individual, and so his official company blog contained a lot of screeds about personal gripes. This gentleman was Turkish, which becomes important in a second. One such a saga came when a Turkish company (Company C) tried to buy their product. They refused to process the transaction, and a company representative literally over email told them to go F themselves, saying it's company policy to not do business with Turkey or Turkish people (again, the founder being Turkish) because of the huge amounts of fraud from that country. The spurned customer posted their version of events on their company blog too. It was a great time to work at Company A. This saga was our Friday cafeteria chatter.

Shorel 4y ago

Every company that does international business has a table that ranks problematic countries, some where they don't do business, or some where they do with proper preparation, or some where they do business with some caveats. The list would include descriptions like: "officials routinely expect bribery to perform their normal duties", "has armed conflict, travel is restricted", or simply "very high inflation, only accept USD and EUR". Only countries not in the list are considered open to do business normally. Turkey would be part of that list, with some danger level.