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I agree but I think there's a caveat. I think it is possible to have situations where it is really hard to corner the offenders and it makes sense to go after t

by mrtksn 4y ago

I agree but I think there's a caveat. I think it is possible to have situations where it is really hard to corner the offenders and it makes sense to go after the enablers. One case would be ransomware attacks, another case can be content out of reach from the jurisdiction(for example, at one point Russia might choose to host copyrighted or other no bueno materials). With the case of PornHub, the victim apparently reached them but it took PH weeks to remove the offending materials. Maybe, if that industry or that company cannot be forced to act appropriately before an irreversible damage is done it can make sense to go after their enablers like Visa. It could be reasonable to require payment processors to have a fast channel to report abuse. PH would have noticed the problem much quicker, had Visa cut them off from collecting payments.

SCLeo 4y ago
Should the manufacturer of the camera be held responsible because they did not verify the purpose of the buyer and consequently allowing them to produce illegal material? (They could technically have some online DRM installed to all of their cameras and if it is reported that someone is making illegal material, they can brick those cameras in question.) I think the issue is that Visa should not be tasked with enforcing the law. In my opinion, in an ideal world, PornHub should be forced to verify its content not by Visa, but by the government, i.e. there will be heavy fine for allowing illegal materials to be uploaded.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  > Should the manufacturer of the camera be held responsible because they did not verify the purpose of the buyer and consequently allowing them to produce illegal material? I don't think this is a good analogy as Visa does operations and it's quite reasonable to require safety during operations. > PornHub should be forced to verify its content not by Visa, but by the government The problem with this is, which government? We don't have a world government or harmonised regulations but we have an international network.

by mrtksn 4y ago

SCLeo 4y ago

Should the manufacturer of the camera be held responsible because they did not verify the purpose of the buyer and consequently allowing them to produce illegal material? (They could technically have some online DRM installed to all of their cameras and if it is reported that someone is making illegal material, they can brick those cameras in question.) I think the issue is that Visa should not be tasked with enforcing the law. In my opinion, in an ideal world, PornHub should be forced to verify its content not by Visa, but by the government, i.e. there will be heavy fine for allowing illegal materials to be uploaded.

mrtksn 4y ago
> Should the manufacturer of the camera be held responsible because they did not verify the purpose of the buyer and consequently allowing them to produce illegal material? I don't think this is a good analogy as Visa does operations and it's quite reasonable to require safety during operations. > PornHub should be forced to verify its content not by Visa, but by the government The problem with this is, which government? We don't have a world government or harmonised regulations but we have an international network.