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>When I hear about the Chinese version of tiktok censoring heavily and promoting positive content about community values and STEM while our version promotes twe

>When I hear about the Chinese version of tiktok censoring heavily and promoting positive content about community values and STEM while our version promotes twerking and convinces teens they have mental disorders it makes me want it banned If you're insinuating that this is some nefarious and conscious act of manipulation you haven't been paying attention to American culture in the five decades before tiktok came around. You didn't need the Chinese to send yourselves on a downward celebrity culture spiral with neglect for the sciences, civility and tradition lol. it's actually more straight foward. China censors to align social media with what they consider socially desirable goals. in America they just don't really censor, what you get is just raw unfettered consumption, that's simply what that looks like.

rapnie 4y ago
Both can be true, and it isn't such a stretch what GP is saying. I don't know much about tiktok, but I hear people saying that across the globe information wars are being waged. How would Sun Tzu operate social media?
alphabetting 4y ago
I think I phrased it poorly. My problem isn't unfettered access to the western cultural id. The problem is an adversary country manipulating what content westerners see to align with their goals. This tweet is anecdotal but lines up totally with stuff that has come out on CCP handling of tiktok: https://twitter.com/LayahHeilpern/status/1542485631338700800 https://twitter.com/LayahHeilpern/status/1542485631338700800
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  There are real concerns about Tiktok and its influence, but that focus on an adversary and pushing a bi-polar narrative feels a lot more unhealthy. Does Facebook/IG get a pass because they're domestic to you ? Are you also outraged when they set global limitations on issues that should only impact the US ? To me looking at it as a "them vs us" matter just brings in too much tribalism that poisons the discussion.
Dracophoenix 4y ago
The US has done and still does plenty of censoring. The land of Playboy and Hustler goes looney every time there's a story about sex or nudity, especially when teenagers are involved. Around the same time period that American culture dominated the world, the FCC had a heavy hand in broadcast content with the implicit intention of aligning said content to socially desirable goals. That's only changed slightly over the past decade and, coincidentally, just as streaming was taking off. I agree with you that the US doesn't need China's help to destroy itself. For that matter, it doesn't need anyone's help. However, "unfettered consumption" has nothing to do with it. Japan, Korea, and, until recently, Hong Kong are the posterchildren for unfettered consumption and yet the former two still have a stable societies the respects tradition and civility in debilitating excess. All three of these societies invest in education to a point of creating suicide-inducing hyper-competitiveness in their students. Ultimately, one's values belong to oneself. The best thing about the US is that one is allowed to choose his values and is not obligated to follow the herd. Respect is a conscious decision and neither an edict handed down from high society nor a dictate delivered from the grave.

rapnie 4y ago

Both can be true, and it isn't such a stretch what GP is saying. I don't know much about tiktok, but I hear people saying that across the globe information wars are being waged. How would Sun Tzu operate social media?

alphabetting 4y ago

I think I phrased it poorly. My problem isn't unfettered access to the western cultural id. The problem is an adversary country manipulating what content westerners see to align with their goals. This tweet is anecdotal but lines up totally with stuff that has come out on CCP handling of tiktok: https://twitter.com/LayahHeilpern/status/1542485631338700800 https://twitter.com/LayahHeilpern/status/1542485631338700800

makeitdouble 4y ago
There are real concerns about Tiktok and its influence, but that focus on an adversary and pushing a bi-polar narrative feels a lot more unhealthy. Does Facebook/IG get a pass because they're domestic to you ? Are you also outraged when they set global limitations on issues that should only impact the US ? To me looking at it as a "them vs us" matter just brings in too much tribalism that poisons the discussion.

Dracophoenix 4y ago

The US has done and still does plenty of censoring. The land of Playboy and Hustler goes looney every time there's a story about sex or nudity, especially when teenagers are involved. Around the same time period that American culture dominated the world, the FCC had a heavy hand in broadcast content with the implicit intention of aligning said content to socially desirable goals. That's only changed slightly over the past decade and, coincidentally, just as streaming was taking off. I agree with you that the US doesn't need China's help to destroy itself. For that matter, it doesn't need anyone's help. However, "unfettered consumption" has nothing to do with it. Japan, Korea, and, until recently, Hong Kong are the posterchildren for unfettered consumption and yet the former two still have a stable societies the respects tradition and civility in debilitating excess. All three of these societies invest in education to a point of creating suicide-inducing hyper-competitiveness in their students. Ultimately, one's values belong to oneself. The best thing about the US is that one is allowed to choose his values and is not obligated to follow the herd. Respect is a conscious decision and neither an edict handed down from high society nor a dictate delivered from the grave.