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February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threaens-Rennce-Is-Nn-Nc

February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threaens-Rennce-Is-Nn-Nclear-Sas https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Donbas vote on self-autonomy has curiously not been allowed. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996 "Proposed in 2016 by Germany's then-foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the plan details free and fair elections in the east under Ukrainian law, verification by the OSCE international security organisation, and then self-governing status in return." 'Ukraine has every right join NATO ...' Maybe. Just as Cuba had every right to host USSR nuclear missiles in 1962? 'Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia was their brother?' Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time.

ben_w 4y ago
Fun fact: the USSR asked to join NATO.
tootie 4y ago
Maybe Nazi Germany had a right to the Sudetenland? You can't just make these assertions as though we're talking hypothetically. Maybe in 2019 you could pass this bs but now that Russia went and invaded and is indiscriminately killing and kidnapping civilians it's beyond question that Russia is an unequivocal bad guy and Ukraine missed a chance to better protect themselves because Europe was too timid.
_kbh_ 4y ago
> February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000 https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Russia failed their obligations under the agreement that they willing gave up their nukes under, so Ukraine is within their right to seek to acquire nuclear weapons to protect themselves from Russia. > Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time. Eastern Ukraine aligned with Russia before the invasion I’m not sure how much eastern Ukraine aligns with Russia now expect for maybe bullets into their soldiers

ben_w 4y ago

Fun fact: the USSR asked to join NATO.

tootie 4y ago

Maybe Nazi Germany had a right to the Sudetenland? You can't just make these assertions as though we're talking hypothetically. Maybe in 2019 you could pass this bs but now that Russia went and invaded and is indiscriminately killing and kidnapping civilians it's beyond question that Russia is an unequivocal bad guy and Ukraine missed a chance to better protect themselves because Europe was too timid.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000 https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Russia failed their obligations under the agreement that they willing gave up their nukes under, so Ukraine is within their right to seek to acquire nuclear weapons to protect themselves from Russia. > Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time. Eastern Ukraine aligned with Russia before the invasion I’m not sure how much eastern Ukraine aligns with Russia now expect for maybe bullets into their soldiers