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You suggest I do what? I could talk to people about two decades of NATO encroachment on (shall not be spoken) R. Or discuss with people how in the weeks prior t

You suggest I do what? I could talk to people about two decades of NATO encroachment on (shall not be spoken) R. Or discuss with people how in the weeks prior to conflict, VP Harris was in Munich and said Ukraine should join NATO. Or discuss how comedian and Vogue model Zelinsky said Ukraine should re-acquire nuclear weapons. While true, none of those fit the rythmn of the mainstream narrative.

koonsolo 4y ago
Well, joining NATO at this point seems like a wise decision, don't you agree? If you want to call it "NATO encroachment on Russia", why doesn't Russia attack NATO then? Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia was their brother? Any idea why they would want to join NATO? Ah! Maybe it's because they don't want to be invaded by the brother neighbour that likes to invade little countries around them. NATO expansion is Russia's fault, don't be stupid and claim otherwise. Look at how this war already quickly expanded NATO. Keep listening to your Russian propaganda.
tootie 4y ago
I'm not sure what you're getting at aside from asserting Russian propaganda. Ukraine has every right join NATO and if Russia thinks that's a provocation then they should take a look in the mirror. NATO isn't a mutual defense association, not an anti-Russia club. The only reason they think so is because they keep invading countries.
- landemva 4y ago
  February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threaens-Rennce-Is-Nn-Nclear-Sas https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Donbas vote on self-autonomy has curiously not been allowed. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996 "Proposed in 2016 by Germany's then-foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the plan details free and fair elections in the east under Ukrainian law, verification by the OSCE international security organisation, and then self-governing status in return." 'Ukraine has every right join NATO ...' Maybe. Just as Cuba had every right to host USSR nuclear missiles in 1962? 'Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia was their brother?' Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Fun fact: the USSR asked to join NATO.
  - tootie 4y ago
    Maybe Nazi Germany had a right to the Sudetenland? You can't just make these assertions as though we're talking hypothetically. Maybe in 2019 you could pass this bs but now that Russia went and invaded and is indiscriminately killing and kidnapping civilians it's beyond question that Russia is an unequivocal bad guy and Ukraine missed a chance to better protect themselves because Europe was too timid.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000 https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Russia failed their obligations under the agreement that they willing gave up their nukes under, so Ukraine is within their right to seek to acquire nuclear weapons to protect themselves from Russia. > Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time. Eastern Ukraine aligned with Russia before the invasion I’m not sure how much eastern Ukraine aligns with Russia now expect for maybe bullets into their soldiers
ben_w 4y ago
I'm suggesting you limit your news to things which are actionable rather than affective.
- blangk 4y ago
  How does one achieve this goal?
  - ben_w 4y ago
    I feel I am missing something in your question, because all I can think is "repeated application of introspection and willpower", but I suspect that if that type of answer sufficed then you would not have needed to ask.

koonsolo 4y ago

Well, joining NATO at this point seems like a wise decision, don't you agree? If you want to call it "NATO encroachment on Russia", why doesn't Russia attack NATO then? Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia was their brother? Any idea why they would want to join NATO? Ah! Maybe it's because they don't want to be invaded by the brother neighbour that likes to invade little countries around them. NATO expansion is Russia's fault, don't be stupid and claim otherwise. Look at how this war already quickly expanded NATO. Keep listening to your Russian propaganda.

tootie 4y ago

I'm not sure what you're getting at aside from asserting Russian propaganda. Ukraine has every right join NATO and if Russia thinks that's a provocation then they should take a look in the mirror. NATO isn't a mutual defense association, not an anti-Russia club. The only reason they think so is because they keep invading countries.

landemva 4y ago
February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threaens-Rennce-Is-Nn-Nclear-Sas https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Donbas vote on self-autonomy has curiously not been allowed. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996 "Proposed in 2016 by Germany's then-foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the plan details free and fair elections in the east under Ukrainian law, verification by the OSCE international security organisation, and then self-governing status in return." 'Ukraine has every right join NATO ...' Maybe. Just as Cuba had every right to host USSR nuclear missiles in 1962? 'Why the hell would Ukraine join NATO? I thought Russia was their brother?' Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Fun fact: the USSR asked to join NATO.
- tootie 4y ago
  Maybe Nazi Germany had a right to the Sudetenland? You can't just make these assertions as though we're talking hypothetically. Maybe in 2019 you could pass this bs but now that Russia went and invaded and is indiscriminately killing and kidnapping civilians it's beyond question that Russia is an unequivocal bad guy and Ukraine missed a chance to better protect themselves because Europe was too timid.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > February 20 Zelensky in Munich started to talk back the 1994 no-nukes agreement. https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14001201000618/Ukraine-Threa... https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000 https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000... Russia failed their obligations under the agreement that they willing gave up their nukes under, so Ukraine is within their right to seek to acquire nuclear weapons to protect themselves from Russia. > Yes, eastern Ukraine aligns with R. Western Ukraine hates R. The movie 'Mr. Jones' may enlighten you about the starvation, and the NYT propaganda at the time. Eastern Ukraine aligned with Russia before the invasion I’m not sure how much eastern Ukraine aligns with Russia now expect for maybe bullets into their soldiers

ben_w 4y ago

I'm suggesting you limit your news to things which are actionable rather than affective.

blangk 4y ago
How does one achieve this goal?
- ben_w 4y ago
  I feel I am missing something in your question, because all I can think is "repeated application of introspection and willpower", but I suspect that if that type of answer sufficed then you would not have needed to ask.