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The TPP was widely opposed before Trump stopped it. Then the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd reversed their position and started claiming the TPP was a g

The TPP was widely opposed before Trump stopped it. Then the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd reversed their position and started claiming the TPP was a good thing. https://www.rockagainstthetpp.org/ https://www.rockagainstthetpp.org/ https://www.artistsagainsttpp.org/ https://www.artistsagainsttpp.org/ https://act.eff.org/action/speak-out-against-the-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement https://act.eff.org/action/speak-out-against-the-trans-pacif... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-im-against-the-tpp_b_6831518 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-im-against-the-tpp_b_6831... https://progressive.org/latest/tpp-another-trade-scam/ https://progressive.org/latest/tpp-another-trade-scam/ https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-opposes-tpp/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-oppo...

legitster 4y ago
> The TPP was widely opposed before Trump stopped it. Agreed. Progressives are equally culpable. Though I never really heard many outlets reverse their opinions. I think people just largely forgot about the TPP. > Then the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd To the contrary, I do not understand the crowd that shows up to a conversation about the time and insists on bringing their broken clock.
- leereeves 4y ago
  There were very good reasons why people opposed the TPP. The devil was in the details. Even Biden said (in 2019) that he would not rejoin the TPP as it was initially put forward, and would insist that we renegotiate pieces of that. > insists on bringing their broken clock. I assume you're suggesting that the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd doesn't exist? To the contrary, their influence is so great that even Thomas Friedman, a vocal opponent of Trump, felt it necessary to call them out: "One of the hardest things to accept for all of us who want Donald Trump to be a one-term president is the fact that some things are true even if Donald Trump believes them!" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/opinion/trump-trade-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/opinion/trump-trade-china...
  - legitster 4y ago
    I understand that the TPP is politically dead. But hand waving over details on the specific tariffs on suits from Singapore is misdirection. It was fundamentally an agreement to form a trade block against China. If we politically cared more about the details, then we really didn't care about China. > I assume you're suggesting that the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd doesn't exist? I'm not. But I also don't understand the driving need to give a specific politician credit for doing something normal. Someone quoted Trump's opinion, several of us pointed out that it's not particularly novel or unique, and now we are being lectured about how absolutes are wrong? Are his words somehow divine that his opinions deserve to be discussed?
    - leereeves 4y ago
      > Someone quoted Trump's opinion, several of us pointed out that it's not particularly novel or unique, and now we are being lectured about how absolutes are wrong? I'm not talking about Trump's opinion about Germany's dependence on Russia, which, I agree, is "not particularly novel or unique". Why did you bring up the TPP, even though it's irrelevant to this conversation? It seems to me that it was purely as a criticism of Trump ("glass houses"), as if no positive statement about Trump could ever be allowed to pass without criticism.

legitster 4y ago

> The TPP was widely opposed before Trump stopped it. Agreed. Progressives are equally culpable. Though I never really heard many outlets reverse their opinions. I think people just largely forgot about the TPP. > Then the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd To the contrary, I do not understand the crowd that shows up to a conversation about the time and insists on bringing their broken clock.

leereeves 4y ago
There were very good reasons why people opposed the TPP. The devil was in the details. Even Biden said (in 2019) that he would not rejoin the TPP as it was initially put forward, and would insist that we renegotiate pieces of that. > insists on bringing their broken clock. I assume you're suggesting that the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd doesn't exist? To the contrary, their influence is so great that even Thomas Friedman, a vocal opponent of Trump, felt it necessary to call them out: "One of the hardest things to accept for all of us who want Donald Trump to be a one-term president is the fact that some things are true even if Donald Trump believes them!" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/opinion/trump-trade-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/opinion/trump-trade-china...
- legitster 4y ago
  I understand that the TPP is politically dead. But hand waving over details on the specific tariffs on suits from Singapore is misdirection. It was fundamentally an agreement to form a trade block against China. If we politically cared more about the details, then we really didn't care about China. > I assume you're suggesting that the "everything Trump does is wrong" crowd doesn't exist? I'm not. But I also don't understand the driving need to give a specific politician credit for doing something normal. Someone quoted Trump's opinion, several of us pointed out that it's not particularly novel or unique, and now we are being lectured about how absolutes are wrong? Are his words somehow divine that his opinions deserve to be discussed?
  - leereeves 4y ago
    > Someone quoted Trump's opinion, several of us pointed out that it's not particularly novel or unique, and now we are being lectured about how absolutes are wrong? I'm not talking about Trump's opinion about Germany's dependence on Russia, which, I agree, is "not particularly novel or unique". Why did you bring up the TPP, even though it's irrelevant to this conversation? It seems to me that it was purely as a criticism of Trump ("glass houses"), as if no positive statement about Trump could ever be allowed to pass without criticism.